sydmariner
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NT I believe.
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Our Beloved Monty
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Insertnamehere
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Look I'd like to keep monty for a decade. However if the offer for Monty and Serge is right for both the fellas and the club, have at it. BUT, let us keep the vibe crew, Bernal and Enzo. If we lost all 4 we'd be back at step 1 again.
Pirate Pete
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Monty at the interview. "Yeah I'd like to bring our vibe crew too".
Hibs. "WT Fook is a vibe crew"?
crock
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i dont thinks hibs had sacked there coach when peil did letter
Cash for Monty would be killing the golden goose. Obviously we can’t keep him forever but it seriously risks the pipeline.
I think you hit the nail on the head unfortunately. It’s why so many have said “we will be ok so long as we have Monty & Serg.” They are the cogs in the wheel. Even when Staj started to revive us, a lot was dependent on our Academy talent that Monty and Serg were bringing through. They have a talent, a gift and a passion for making the best and finding the best from the limited resources we have. I don’t believe any kind of cash is going to replicate that.
Right now we have players desperate to come here. Take out Monty and Serg and we go back to buying what and who we can afford and bringing in players who care less about the Club than the lifestyle and will simply go when better cash is offered.
I get we will lose them eventually.. but on the back of winning the championship, selling off most of our best players including our Golden boot Cummings and then selling off our Coach and assistant? Sounds familiar. ?
Pretty shit for all of us who have signed up for the new season with renewed hope and ambition. Feel screwed over if I’m honest and really pushing the loyalty when it’s not being returned.
Wombat
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Panicking for no apparent reason again Mrs Meerkat.
Not panicked. Just simmering pre boil.
Forum Phoenix
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I get the fear, it'd be a tremendous loss, but it doesn't make any sense to me to talk about being screwed over or about loyalty not being returned.
By who? The club?? In what world would they want Monty and Serge to go right now? Maybe if it would fund the club for a couple of years, fair cop, but for a couple hundred K, when these coaches attract young talent and can develop them to sell for more... I can't see the club wanting to lose Monty right now. Far more likely that they'd be begging him to stsay.
Monty? Does he owe us more if his success has now led to better options for himself and his family?
This is the unavoidable price of success. Enjoy it. Then brace for pain. Isn't the first time. Won't be the last.
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What I’m saying is that at some point, the ties that bind are going to be seriously frayed. We saw that, over the last decade. It’s taken how many years to bring people back? Only to do the same thing again?
I am not blaming the club. If he really is leaving or entertaining the idea, Peil is probably shitting himself in a cold sweat that his 2 mil loss is about to be 10. But the bottom line is that aside from your diehard fans that will keep showing up when the chip’s inevitably fall down again, those who are invested in the people that make up the club.. players, the staff, the culture.. are simply going to fall away again when those people are no more, success is no more and that investiture is not returned. You can say it’s shit and unfair, I don’t disagree. But it’s true.
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Forum Phoenix
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Cool. I'm not confused by what you said. Just when you say...
"Feel screwed over if I’m honest and really pushing the loyalty when it’s not being returned."
I'm not sure who you are you referring to as not returning your loyalty? Or who is screwing you over?
To be clear. I don't really care. You can of course feel how you want. Taking it personally just made no sense to me.
No argument here that our predicament of having our pantry door wide open can cause waves of hunger and frustration. That's actually my point. And I've lived it too. Sadly I just don't see how that changes. Which is why personally long term I care more about infrastructure and vision than even our coach or a spectacular winning season.
I accept it can't alway be highs. I just want us strong enough so that we can weather the raids so that we don't ever hit too low again. But this is modern football. In this world everything good flows upstream.
"Feel screwed over if I’m honest and really pushing the loyalty when it’s not being returned."
I'm not sure who you are you referring to as not returning your loyalty? Or who is screwing you over?
To be clear. I don't really care. You can of course feel how you want. Taking it personally just made no sense to me.
No argument here that our predicament of having our pantry door wide open can cause waves of hunger and frustration. That's actually my point. And I've lived it too. Sadly I just don't see how that changes. Which is why personally long term I care more about infrastructure and vision than even our coach or a spectacular winning season.
I accept it can't alway be highs. I just want us strong enough so that we can weather the raids so that we don't ever hit too low again. But this is modern football. In this world everything good flows upstream.
If Monty lost the first 6 games people would turn on him. It’s the nature of football.
Like players he has ambitions beyond CCM. Better he go happily assisted and provides more funds for the club.
He is also a coach of a developmental club. Makes player retention hard and it’s not like we can pay him enough for what he is worth and even if we could he would still have that desire to go challenge himself against the best.
We all enjoy following ex players overseas and Monty will be the same.
He may fail (hope not), his family may be unhappy and want to come back whatever it is if the door is open he may one day return.
The club has been warned for a while but especially after the GF smashing that Monty would be in demand. Let’s see if they have been planning for it or head in the sand. This is the real worry apart from Monty setting the highest bar possible which no matter who will lead to disappointment.
You can’t beat City 5-1 and expect the next guy to be as good. Especially at our club.
Let’s hope it doesn’t destabilize the players.
Go be great Monty.
Like players he has ambitions beyond CCM. Better he go happily assisted and provides more funds for the club.
He is also a coach of a developmental club. Makes player retention hard and it’s not like we can pay him enough for what he is worth and even if we could he would still have that desire to go challenge himself against the best.
We all enjoy following ex players overseas and Monty will be the same.
He may fail (hope not), his family may be unhappy and want to come back whatever it is if the door is open he may one day return.
The club has been warned for a while but especially after the GF smashing that Monty would be in demand. Let’s see if they have been planning for it or head in the sand. This is the real worry apart from Monty setting the highest bar possible which no matter who will lead to disappointment.
You can’t beat City 5-1 and expect the next guy to be as good. Especially at our club.
Let’s hope it doesn’t destabilize the players.
Go be great Monty.
Loyalty is a subjective term. Taking it personally isn’t accurate. The bottom line is, people have loyalty to a brand for 1 of 2 reasons. Either they have a human connection to the brand (even ethically or morally/ it aligns with their values if no direct relationship) and / or they like the performance of the brand. In both cases here, that’s about to be challenged if Mont does go.
For those in the latter, customers (fans) or sponsors will have signed up to the season expecting a product. Absolutely you can’t guarantee or even expect the same success of last year to be replicated. But you have to think with Mont and Serg at the wheel we will at least stay contenders. No secret they are under contract.there is an expectation.
Suddenly, those who had stars in their eyes and most of us with visions of at least a decent run in the AFC Cup and a decent season, have the rug pulled out.
Yep, absolutely most of US will hang in there and wish Monty well and hope for the best. But time and money don’t come freely for most people and taking away the main cog in the wheel at this stage? With money already committed and people signed up? Sure. Can’t see anybody feeling screwed over. You have much better faith in human character than I do.
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100% and people were angry. We were just fortunate Monty stepped up and proved to be an even better Coach than Staj was.
So…*looks around hopefully *
FFC Mariner
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So who do we think will be our next coach (and assistant)?
I'd love Ben Cahn but I doubt it - he's doing a great job in Vic and following a winning duo isnt always a great career move
Hutch has a less than stellar record (being kind)
Genuininly cant think who else they are looking at.
Surely no one is dumb enough to get Patrick in please Dear God no.
Yes, I now think we will lose Monty soonish (just a hunch) There is no smoke without fire and the Japan rumours wont go away
I'd love Ben Cahn but I doubt it - he's doing a great job in Vic and following a winning duo isnt always a great career move
Hutch has a less than stellar record (being kind)
Genuininly cant think who else they are looking at.
Surely no one is dumb enough to get Patrick in please Dear God no.
Yes, I now think we will lose Monty soonish (just a hunch) There is no smoke without fire and the Japan rumours wont go away
priorpeter
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Bielsa. His translator & analyst is already here, getting the joint ready. Surely it’s happening.
pjennings
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The photo on the wall - The Coaches' Voice
Sheffield United legend Nick Montgomery on the journey that led to him winning the A-League Grand Final as Central Coast Mariners manager
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