"I for one welcome our insect overlords" - The Politics Thread

[FFC Mariner]

Its has to happen .everyone knows it .
Unless you wany to make all housing purchases tax deductable ?

Simply won't happen as it's instant electoral suicide.

 

[Hello Sailor]

Are wealthy voters willing to put their money where their heart is on stage-three tax cuts? | Peter Lewis

Economists tell us these cuts will turbocharge inflation. A sizable majority of ‘post-material voters’ would accept a deferral

www.theguardian.com

 

[Insertnamehere]

Are wealthy voters willing to put their money where their heart is on stage-three tax cuts? | Peter Lewis

Economists tell us these cuts will turbocharge inflation. A sizable majority of ‘post-material voters’ would accept a deferral

www.theguardian.com

The problem primarily lies not in the decision but rather the govts capacity to have a conversation.

 

[pjennings]

The problem primarily lies not in the decision but rather the govts capacity to have a conversation.

Any conversation - needs to be had when the alternative use is known. i.e. probably at budget time. When the answer will be either we're taking out money from the money supply to lower pressure on inflation or we are using the savings to pay for xyz (e.g. to provide either services or relief to homeowners/renters).

 

[Insertnamehere]

Any conversation - needs to be had when the alternative use is known. i.e. probably at budget time. When the answer will be either we're taking out money from the money supply to lower pressure on inflation or we are using the savings to pay for xyz (e.g. to provide either services or relief to homeowners/renters).

I doubt both their communication skills and the their ability to get a thorough story through via MSM.

 

[FFC Mariner]

If they were going to ditch the stage 3 cuts they needed to do it early on so that the backlash was buried by the voice debacle.
Too late now, they are on the slide, Albo is tottering and they dont have the political capital to take money out of people pockets.
Only Labor could give Dutton a chance. What a shambles

 

[pjennings]

I doubt both their communication skills and the their ability to get a thorough story through via MSM.

Probably very true at most of the time. At least at budget time there is a lot of unfiltered messages going out (as well as the spun messages in the media).

 

[Insertnamehere]

If they were going to ditch the stage 3 cuts they needed to do it early on so that the backlash was buried by the voice debacle.
Too late now, they are on the slide, Albo is tottering and they dont have the political capital to take money out of people pockets.
Only Labor could give Dutton a chance. What a shambles

Be careful taking media spin on polling data. Least of all most of the changes have been without the MOE, but also other polls are showing Labor back up. They'd have their own internal data to show where they're sitting.

Problem for them is the general public have shown repeatedly how conservative they are economically.

 

[FFC Mariner]

A party needs 77 seats to govern in its own right (if you add in the speaker). Labor has 78. Wont take much to deliver a hung parliament and I think its the duty of all of us to make Australia ungovernable by either red or blue.

 

[Hello Sailor]

If they were going to ditch the stage 3 cuts they needed to do it early on so that the backlash was buried by the voice debacle.
Too late now, they are on the slide, Albo is tottering and they dont have the political capital to take money out of people pockets.
Only Labor could give Dutton a chance. What a shambles

I wonder when the knives are coming out? Plibersek must be a good option

 

[Insertnamehere]

I wonder when the knives are coming out? Plibersek must be a good option

No chance. At worst its neck and neck. He'd have to be looking at obliteration for them to knife him. Remember the Rudd rules that make it nearly impossible to knife someone

 

[Hello Sailor]

No chance. At worst its neck and neck. He'd have to be looking at obliteration for them to knife him. Remember the Rudd rules that make it nearly impossible to knife someone

Yes, I forgot about Rudd rules

 

[pjennings]

I wonder when the knives are coming out? Plibersek must be a good option

More chance of a LNP spill because of the new ALP rules and because the NSW and Vic Libs will not want a Queenslander if they look likely to win. There has not been a LIB PM that was not from NSW or Vic. Downer was the opposition leader from SA. So a total of 3 years as opposition leader (including Dutton) from other than NSW or Vic since 1944.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

yeah, surely the Libs would have to realise that nobody wants to see Dutton take the throne? Though that would require uncharasteric self-awareness from that party...but then again, if he's polling reasonably strongly, then there's no real reason for a spill. The thought of Voldemort in power is a terrifying concept. Abbott was our version of Dubya, Scomo proved that there's no need to actually hide corruption anymore because it literally doesn't matter, but Dutton comes off as actually sadistic, on top of carrying all the worst traits we've seen lately from that party. We already know he'll lie through his teeth, so sadly no change from the party there.

As for polling - I wonder how much people would lie on polls just to send a message? That is, a lot of people who would vote Labor next election might indicate otherwise in a poll, as a means of sending a message of discontent to Albo?

I can't see any spill for ALP on the cards. It would just be nice if that party stopped being afraid of the LNP......but the public and media don't exactly help with that.

 

[Big Al]

yeah, surely the Libs would have to realise that nobody wants to see Dutton take the throne? Though that would require uncharasteric self-awareness from that party...but then again, if he's polling reasonably strongly, then there's no real reason for a spill. The thought of Voldemort in power is a terrifying concept. Abbott was our version of Dubya, Scomo proved that there's no need to actually hide corruption anymore because it literally doesn't matter, but Dutton comes off as actually sadistic, on top of carrying all the worst traits we've seen lately from that party. We already know he'll lie through his teeth, so sadly no change from the party there.

As for polling - I wonder how much people would lie on polls just to send a message? That is, a lot of people who would vote Labor next election might indicate otherwise in a poll, as a means of sending a message of discontent to Albo?

I can't see any spill for ALP on the cards. It would just be nice if that party stopped being afraid of the LNP......but the public and media don't exactly help with that.

With the way that Albo is tracking i don’t think they will punt Dutton.

Also who for is the old age question. Libs need fresh blood.

I think they will stay put and punt him during his first term if he manages to win

 

[Insertnamehere]

With the way that Albo is tracking i don’t think they will punt Dutton.

Also who for is the old age question. Libs need fresh blood.

I think they will stay put and punt him during his first term if he manages to win

Problem for Labor is there'll be another 1.2m gen z voters who vote about even labor:greens. They could lose a few more seats further left.

Honestly people are scared the greens because the overton window has shifted so far since john Howard but I look forward to hung parliaments. The greens and teals will drag the conversation back towards the centre.

 

[Hello Sailor]

Looks like Labor is determined to implement the cuts. Last paragraph is interesting.

Labor says it’s looking for ways to ease cost-of-living pressures. Just don’t mention the stage-three tax cuts

The cuts are already baked into the RBA’s forecasts and economists say there is little point looking at alternatives

www.theguardian.com

 

[Big Al]

Looks like Labor is determined to implement the cuts. Last paragraph is interesting.

Labor says it’s looking for ways to ease cost-of-living pressures. Just don’t mention the stage-three tax cuts

The cuts are already baked into the RBA’s forecasts and economists say there is little point looking at alternatives

www.theguardian.com

Decent read. They will definitely happen it’s just whether it gets watered down.
A lot of people want to get their hands on the money to waste it themselves (not talking about the intended recipients).

Bracket creep is high but probably still to early in the inflation control. You need to keep things tougher for longer to keep control. I think we are right on the edge where people can survive but it’s tough which I think is the right spot until everything settles down. The rush for cuts is just bad journalism or people desperate to pick the next change.

I am not sure on the polling. There was a point not so long ago where that might have been true as inflation was rising but a lack of understanding of bracket creep may also be in play. People just hear the media talking about tax cuts to higher income workers. People always want something for themselves

 

[Hello Sailor]

Furious Liberals vow to unpick changes to 'promised' stage 3 tax cuts

The Liberal Party responds with outrage to the prime minister's move to change promised tax cuts taking effect in July, saying he won the federal election with a "lie".

www.abc.net.au

I had hoped that if they amended these cuts it would be to pay off government debt or adequately fund Defence, Medicare etc. Looks like Labor is kicking those cans down the road.

 

[Big Al]

Furious Liberals vow to unpick changes to 'promised' stage 3 tax cuts

The Liberal Party responds with outrage to the prime minister's move to change promised tax cuts taking effect in July, saying he won the federal election with a "lie".

www.abc.net.au

I had hoped that if they amended these cuts it would be to pay off government debt or adequately fund Defence, Medicare etc. Looks like Labor is kicking those cans down the road.

No chance of those things and they would get killed if they did.

I actually don’t mind the changes but the higher bracket does need to move too but more gradually. $9k in one year is too much. If they did it over 5 years that would be a good compromise

At least the smaller increases to lower middle income earners won’t be that big on a paycheck and shouldn’t effect inflation as much.

I know election is on the horizon but would have better better just delaying the cuts for 12 months to see how inflation goes