"I for one welcome our insect overlords" - The Politics Thread

[marinermick]

Sorry Mick but the only reason renewables are touted as being the cheapest form of energy is because they are so heavily subsidised by our government using our money. Sure, once they are up running the generation cost might be minimal but that statement has to be balanced by the large capital cost including the related transmission infrastructure.

It would be nice if politicians debated this issue on the total cost instead of only doing that for the nuclear side of things but since when did those that govern us last tell the truth sadly and they think we are all too dumb to know the truth.

And how much will nuclear be subsidised?

My debate was nuclear v renewable in response to Spack’s arguments. Subsidies aside renewable is still cheaper:

Renewables confirmed as cheapest source of electricity | energy.gov.au

A new CSIRO-AEMO report confirms that wind and solar are the cheapest sources for electricity generation and storage.

www.energy.gov.au

 

[Spacks]

Google algorithms and confirmation bias

That's assuming I am incapable of identifying what propaganda is.

However, google isn't a right wing platform, so why would they be brainwashing my mind with the polar opposite of what they're trying to achieve?

 

[FFC Mariner]

That's assuming I am incapable of identifying what propaganda is.

However, google isn't a right wing platform, so why would they be brainwashing my mind with the polar opposite of what they're trying to achieve?

Thats it - no one can be this obtuse. This is epic level trolling and I salute you.

 

[Spacks]

Thats it - no one can be this obtuse. This is epic level trolling and I salute you.

what I said made perfect sense, Google's not right wing so why would they be trying to brainwash me with right wing propaganda. Unless of course you're under the impression propaganda isn't real and being utilised everywhere by everyone.

 

[marinermick]

That's assuming I am incapable of identifying what propaganda is.

However, google isn't a right wing platform, so why would they be brainwashing my mind with the polar opposite of what they're trying to achieve?

Where did I mention right wing? I said algorithms and confirmation bias to your response to where you get your “information”.

Are you actually that naive to believe that your online sources of information are not manipulated to your patterns of behaviour and your past history of online investigation?

 

[Hello Sailor]

Thats it - no one can be this obtuse. This is epic level trolling and I salute you.

I dont always agree with Spacks but he identified propaganda [Che Guevara} where you didn't so don't be too hard on him. He is entitled to his opinion as are you.

If you mean that google results are customised to previous search interests then yes the algorithms produce biased results. This is not to say that ALL information on Google is inaccurate or biased as are plenty of reputable sources and databases on line.

While I think that Voldemort raised nuclear energy as a wedge to destabilise the ALP the fossil/renewable/nuclear mix is a discussion that needs to be seriously addressed and this is better achieved with courtesy and respect rather than with dismissal or name calling those with an opposing view.

 

[Spacks]

Where did I mention right wing? I said algorithms and confirmation bias to your response to where you get your “information”.

Are you actually that naive to believe that your online sources of information are not manipulated to your patterns of behaviour and your past history of online investigation?

Of course they do that, that's common knowledge at this point. Unless of course you're claiming google isn't trying to brainwash people to conform to a particular mindset and to only continue clicking in which case I'd say that's naive.

 

[Spacks]

While I think that Voldemort raised nuclear energy as a wedge to destabilise the ALP the fossil/renewable/nuclear mix is a discussion that needs to be seriously addressed and this is better achieved with courtesy and respect rather than with dismissal or name calling those with an opposing view.

I think Australia wins either way, we have large lithium deposits as well as Uranium. Just wish we could compete with CHYNA in the manufacturing of DPVs.

 

[marinermick]

I dont always agree with Spacks but he identified propaganda [Che Guevara} where you didn't so don't be too hard on him. He is entitled to his opinion as are you.

If you mean that google results are customised to previous search interests then yes the algorithms produce biased results. This is not to say that ALL information on Google is inaccurate or biased as are plenty of reputable sources and databases on line.

While I think that Voldemort raised nuclear energy as a wedge to destabilise the ALP the fossil/renewable/nuclear mix is a discussion that needs to be seriously addressed and this is better achieved with courtesy and respect rather than with dismissal or name calling those with an opposing view.

The Che and China comments on here were just stupid. Just because someone has more left or centralist views doesn’t mean they should align with more extremes versions of the left. No one is drawing Hitler or Putin comparisons to those here aligning with the right.

 

[Ironbark]

Do we need this thread on a mariners forum really?

 

[marinermick]

Do we need this thread on a mariners forum really?

Yep, it’s in the Other Stuff section and people don’t have to read it. What’s your objection?

 

[Spacks]

Do we need this thread on a mariners forum really?

sorry didn't mean to interrupt the left wing circle jerk, by all means have at it

 

[marinermick]

sorry didn't mean to interrupt the left wing circle jerk, by all means have at it

What have I posted that implies that I am left wing?

 

[Stuartmcateer]

Oh I'm not saying he's a spy, I'm just saying I reported it so if china invades Taiwan and Australia goes to war with china that Asio will have data on this person. Hope it was worth it bruh!

What makes you think ASIO doesn't have data on everyone anyway?

This thread is exactly why I don't discuss politics or religion with people.

 

[Spacks]

What makes you think ASIO doesn't have data on everyone anyway?

Oh they do. The Americans spy on our traffic and give it to our government to get around the pesky privacy act.

 

[Big Al]

Why does anyone have to be a wing left or right. It annoys me when either side uses that as argument.

It’s simply a point of view on a topic. The labels are lazy discredits.

 

[Big Al]

Sorry Mick but the only reason renewables are touted as being the cheapest form of energy is because they are so heavily subsidised by our government using our money. Sure, once they are up running the generation cost might be minimal but that statement has to be balanced by the large capital cost including the related transmission infrastructure.

It would be nice if politicians debated this issue on the total cost instead of only doing that for the nuclear side of things but since when did those that govern us last tell the truth sadly and they think we are all too dumb to know the truth.

It’s new technology that is constantly getting cheaper.

But like any form of energy it will profiteered by businesses or governments.

There is a big resistance to to renewables by big companies with a lot to loose. Power companies, oil companies.

I think they should all exist so we have choice. I don’t like the government trying to squash gas and coal and pushing everything electric. Guess what happens once we are fully electric. The prices go up with no alternative.

Competition and choice are key

 

[Big Al]

Do we need this thread on a mariners forum really?

Sometimes i agree as it can get heated in here and i don’t want us turning on each other.
But like the old saying goes.
Don’t discuss politics and blondes vs brunettes

As adults we need to excise the ability to either not pay attention to it (i can’t) or join in and attack before you get attacked 😂

I don’t follow politics enough to fight with the heavily vested and there are some very passionate people here and i wish they would discuss the issue sometimes instead of playing the man or the political side but that’s part of life and as @marinermick says. It’s a side thread. Also it’s still the offseason so we need to get our anger out somewhere instead of Wilson

 

[FFC Mariner]

What makes you think ASIO doesn't have data on everyone anyway?

Well they bloody do now thanks to the snitch

 

[pjennings]

It’s new technology that is constantly getting cheaper.

But like any form of energy it will profiteered by businesses or governments.

There is a big resistance to to renewables by big companies with a lot to loose. Power companies, oil companies.

I think they should all exist so we have choice. I don’t like the government trying to squash gas and coal and pushing everything electric. Guess what happens once we are fully electric. The prices go up with no alternative.

Competition and choice are key

So subsidising renewables to the same extent as the fossil fuel industry would provide competition and choice. I'm sure renewables would like $14.5billion ($541 pp) that the fossil fuel industry received last year compared with the average of $2.9billion ($108pp per year) they have received per year over the last decade.

The question should be more are the these subsidies (to both industries) an effective allocation of public resources to support the nation’s energy mix now and into the future.