Ángel Torres

[Huddo]

People speaking in half truths, making over arching statement about things they have no knowledge of. Throwing guilt around like Rebecca Wilson

I'm done with this chat.

 

[nl.ryan]

Not good...

Did he really write some instagram post in response about nobody can go against God or some such? I don't follow him....

Yes, he did. I saw it and thought it was a bit odd and then the news came out and I couldn’t find the post again.

 

[MikeyHundred]

No one is saying either, f**k me, it's about not making a conclusion without knowing the story.
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No one is saying he’s guilty.

Merely pointing out Australia’s obsession with always jumping in to defend a man over a woman in these instances.

See all the time especially in sport, Bruce Lehremann best example of recent times in the public eye that was proven in court that he was in fact, presumably a rapist.

Michael Jennings, still playing professionally was accused of many violent acts against his former partner. First thing Australian sport fans and media did was slander the partner, hold a steadfast belief that she was “making it all up”. People have followed up those claims because the matter was settled out of court. Settling outside of court would cost far more monetarily speaking however letting the trail proceed, all the information becoming public record and facing a conviction would cost him a lot more. He did the wise thing for a more than likely guilty man, yet the media and public opinion have no shadow of a doubt he’s innocent.

You can be critical of a situation without being convinced a party is guilty or innocent.

What I was saying before is that I think it’s reductive to scream ‘innocent! The law says he’s innocent the law says he’s innocent’ is to first think critically about it. How was the arrest made, what evidence would they require to make such a public arrest with a lot of scrutiny ect.

No he may or may not be innocent, and he has the right to be presumed as such however we can’t jump to saying or alluding to the accuser is lying or that it’s an easy decision to make for women to make these accusations.

Look at the treatment of Grace Tame and Britney Higgins. It would be terrifying to be a woman who is firstly victimised in such a degrading manner, then secondly have everyone come out blindly supporting the accused and saying the allegations are fabricated.

 

[Corsair]

No one is saying he’s guilty.

Merely pointing out Australia’s obsession with always jumping in to defend a man over a woman in these instances.

See all the time especially in sport, Bruce Lehremann best example of recent times in the public eye that was proven in court that he was in fact, presumably a rapist.

Michael Jennings, still playing professionally was accused of many violent acts against his former partner. First thing Australian sport fans and media did was slander the partner, hold a steadfast belief that she was “making it all up”. People have followed up those claims because the matter was settled out of court. Settling outside of court would cost far more monetarily speaking however letting the trail proceed, all the information becoming public record and facing a conviction would cost him a lot more. He did the wise thing for a more than likely guilty man, yet the media and public opinion have no shadow of a doubt he’s innocent.

You can be critical of a situation without being convinced a party is guilty or innocent.

What I was saying before is that I think it’s reductive to scream ‘innocent! The law says he’s innocent the law says he’s innocent’ is to first think critically about it. How was the arrest made, what evidence would they require to make such a public arrest with a lot of scrutiny ect.

No he may or may not be innocent, and he has the right to be presumed as such however we can’t jump to saying or alluding to the accuser is lying or that it’s an easy decision to make for women to make these accusations.

Look at the treatment of Grace Tame and Britney Higgins. It would be terrifying to be a woman who is firstly victimised in such a degrading manner, then secondly have everyone come out blindly supporting the accused and saying the allegations are fabricated.

This is all opinion, which you are entitled to and it's completely worthless in the eyes of the law.

 

[MikeyHundred]

This is all opinion, which you are entitled to and it's completely worthless in the eyes of the law.

Bother to read it at all, champ?

 

[Corsair]

Bother to read it at all, champ?

You are not worthy. Over and out.

 

[Spacks]

I'ma wait for the court case to resolve before jumping to conclusions.

 

[BrisRecky]

no wonder his been off his game , his had the sexual assault squad crawling around in his business….f**k him off , thanks for the goals , hope Theo Harris passes the ball to Eddo more than the sumbetch did

 

[shipwreck]

I remember commenting several times that he was horribly out of form after that international break. Honestly makes sense now, horrible if true

 

[true believer]

i really believe no further comment should be made on ccmfans.
and when evidence is presented . only then should minimal comment be made .

 

[geoffgfletch]

Let's move on. We have a treble to win and it's not likely he'll play for us again before the silverware is given out

 

[Meerkat]

I was a bit disappointed with the clubs statement but I’m sure it’s a case of legal says say as little as possible.

It would be approved key messaging. Say something while giving away nothing at all. Standard and no other option.

I genuinely have full faith in the culture of our team and the coaching staff to keep our boys grounded and on track. As Jacko says.. we tend to do better with our backs against the wall and you’ve got Simmo, Andy etc to keep them focused.

Believe, guys.. can’t change it so keep calm and rise above.

 

[Emeriners]

I just discovered the news now and i m like wtf...but the club reacted well imo, they let the Justice work and follow the instructions.

 

[shipwreck]

These are precisely the moments we have Andy Bernal, as has been stated he would be having a massive influence on managing morale, culture and focus in stuff like this because he has seen alot of drama in his life.

Very happy we have him on board.

 

[Hello Sailor]

If proven, he has killed his career.

And if proven football will no longer hold the high moral ground over rugby league.

 

[FFC Mariner]

And if proven football will no longer hold the high moral ground over rugby league.

Given events in the UK overnight (2 players arrested for rape) and other cases, I think that ship sailed

 

[Hello Sailor]

SMH today.

 

[LFCMariners]

Given events in the UK overnight (2 players arrested for rape) and other cases, I think that ship sailed

Yeah I was going to say, in a lot of ways only difference been NRL players here and European footballers is the money they earn in a week...

 

[Michael]

These are precisely the moments we have Andy Bernal, as has been stated he would be having a massive influence on managing morale, culture and focus in stuff like this because he has seen alot of drama in his life.

Very happy we have him on board.

Totally agree, Andy will be invaluable during this scenario for the rest of the boys staying focused for the few games remaining.
I’m quite optimistic the rest of the boys can stay on task.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Totally agree, Andy will be invaluable during this scenario for the rest of the boys staying focused for the few games remaining.
I’m quite optimistic the rest of the boys can stay on task.

I'm sure they will respond well - this shit happens and they have wise heads to help guide them