Western Sydney going ahead in 2013 (p2)

[Nathan Byrn]

Nathan

Would love to get you in court on the other side .... your client would sue you tho ... if anyone has argued the other sides point you have...

BTW relating to Jedi & Danny .... are you suggesting that LM & Crawley had nothing to do with their development...that GA & Crawley have had nothing to do with the development of Musty & Matthew Ryan...

However field results may not be enough ... let me provide some outside evidence ... The top team in Germany last year signed Musty ... HHHHMMMmmmm ..... yet they returned him to the Mariners for further development because .....

Tomas returned to Australia called the Mariners and asked to play for us because .... hhhmmm ...

Football "development" as you would be aware starts at a very early age.The foundations of a player are formulated well before senior football."Development" normally refers to these foundations, things like technique etc. Players no doubt gain invaluable experience and do develop attributes with senior football, composure,strength,professionalism etc. The exposure to a professional environnent no doubt developed Matt Simon for example because he had very little exposure to that amount of training. Somone like Musti however( who has outstanding technique etc) has less room for development because of his exposure to the AIS and Joeys camps etc. In Rogic and Musti etc you have very young men who will also gain invaluable life skills which will progress the mental aspect of their game further.
You ask Moss or GA and they will tell you that all they do is get the best out of the players and give them the tactical framework to do so.

 

[midfielder]

Football "development" as you would be aware starts at a very early age.The foundations of a player are formulated well before senior football."Development" normally refers to these foundations, things like technique etc. Players no doubt gain invaluable experience and do develop attributes with senior football, composure,strength,professionalism etc. The exposure to a professional environnent no doubt developed Matt Simon for example because he had very little exposure to that amount of training. Somone like Musti however( who has outstanding technique etc) has less room for development because of his exposure to the AIS and Joeys camps etc. In Rogic and Musti etc you have very young men who will also gain invaluable life skills which will progress the mental aspect of their game further.
You ask Moss or GA and they will tell you that all they do is get the best out of the players and give them the tactical framework to do so.

Nathan

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say... everything you say is true about youth development .. but our club has been established for maybe seven years ... the young player you talk about we develop is still only 10 or 12...

As for players like Musty coming here when many skills have already been developed ... very true .. BUT equally as true is a player picks the right club at 16 to 19 of age so they can be developed further... our success in developing these players and those youth players coming to our team speaks for itself ....

 

[midfielder]

Wonder who this guy is... employees over 5, 000 in WS...

Tycoon in secret talks with A-League
Ray Gatt From: The Australian February 20 , 2012

A PROMINENT eastern suburbs-based businessman has been approached by Football Federation Australia to head a high-powered consortium with the aim of having a western Sydney franchise up and running by next season.
The Australian understands the businessman, who has widespread interests in Sydney's west where he employs more than 5000 people, has attended a number of meetings, the latest on Friday when he held discussions with A-League boss Lyall Gorman.

He is believed to have been offered the chairman's role and is interested. He has told FFA he will give it an answer by the end of the week.

FFA chairman Frank Lowy, a close friend of the businessman and his family, has been vigorously pursuing him to become involved in the franchise for at least 12 months.

FFA has already handed the man they believe can get western Sydney up and running in time a business model, though, there are suggestions it was not received with a great deal of enthusiasm and may need a lot of tweaking, if not major surgery.

...Such is the progress of the negotiations that former Socceroos Tony Popovic and Ante Milicic, who played nearly all of their football in Australia in southwest Sydney, have already been identified as likely coaches of the new franchise.

Western Sydney has long been regarded as the missing link in the A-League's plans and FFA is desperate to have a franchise not only to add more interest to the competition and put pressure on Sydney FC but to avoid losing more valuable ground to the AFL and NRL in the "battle of the west".

While soccer has massive registration figures in the region, the Greater Western Sydney AFL side and the NRL have a huge presence.

Significantly, however, the key driver is that soccer's television rights are up for negotiation next year and FFA would like nothing better than to be armed with a new franchise when it eventually goes to the table.

There are fears there won't be as much money to spread around after the AFL's massive TV deal last year and the NRL's deal, which will be determined this year.

The A-League needs a Sydney FC-western Sydney derby along the lines of the Melbourne Victory-Melbourne Heart matches which have created huge interest and attracted near sell-out crowds every time they play each other.

But FFA has had problems getting a franchise up and running due to some poor decision-making on its part and a lack of money. The head body was severely embarrassed when it handed a provisional licence to the Sydney Rovers consortium two years ago, even though it admitted it did not have the money.

FFA also created controversy when it allowed the Rovers' bid to jump the queue ahead of three other syndicates, including one led by Socceroos captain Lucas Neill. After 12 months the Rovers syndicate was forced to admit defeat after failing to come up with the finances.

While there is an obvious need for a western sydney franchise, there are still some concerns with the latest developments,

The idea of having a club up and running in three months appears too ambitious.The AFL's Gold Coast Suns and GWS were given three or four years to get their act together before being allowed to compete at the top level.

FFA's attempts to rush North Queensland and Gold Coast into the league without giving them time to imbed in their local communities saw the Fury go under after two seasons and Gold Coast struggle to attract supporters.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/tycoon-in-secret-talks-with-a-league/story-fn63e0vj-1226275186556

 

[Roy Law]

Good; so now the thread is back on track. The worst time to try to establish a club is when backs are to the wall. Desperate times make for desperate decisions. Western Sydney is the pipedream of Frank Lowy and the FFA but questions have to be asked as to why there wasn't a bid in place seven years ago, and why the last attempt two years ago couldn't raise a brass razzo. Why now should it be any different? There are too many self-interested parties 'out West' and too much internecine rivalry for a bid to have any substance. Canberra fans must be spitting into their Weetbix...

 

[pjennings]

The man carrying Frank Lowy's hopes by: Ray Gatt From: The Australian February 21, 2012 12:00AM


PROMINENT Sydney businessman Paul Lederer has an undying passion for soccer. He counts Football Federation chairman Frank Lowy as a family friend, owns the largest producer of smallgoods in Australia and is regularly ranked in BRW's Top 200 rich list.
And it can now be revealed Lederer, who is estimated to be worth more than $400 million, is the man a desperate Lowy has pinned his hopes on to get a western Sydney A-League franchise up and running.

The Australian can also reveal that trusted Lowy friend Ron Malek, the joint chief executive of leading independent corporate advisory firm Caliburn, is part of the consortium of high-powered eastern suburbs businessmen to fund and run what some claim could potentially be the biggest A-League franchise.

Miron Bleiberg, the man who was sacked as Gold Coast United coach yesterday, is among a strong list of possible coaching contenders that also includes former Socceroos Tony Popovic and Ante Milicic. And it is believed former Socceroo Kimon Taliadoros is being touted as the likely chief executive.

...As reported exclusively in The Australian yesterday, Lowy wants Lederer, the owner of Primo Smallgoods and whose identity was secret until now, to head the group as chairman.

Lederer has been vigorously pursued by Lowy for the past

12 months as the FFA boss attempts to fast-track Western Sydney into the national competition.

The plan is to have a side up and running by the start of next season's competition but the FFA faces a monumental task to hit that target. It would appear the earliest a side can be included is the season of 2013-14.

However, with the television rights up for negotiation later this year and western Sydney likely to be a huge bargaining chip, Lowy is hoping Lederer's business acumen and his links with the top end of town can get western Sydney over the line sooner rather than later.

The businessman, who sponsors the Central Coast Mariners and regularly attends their matches, has a great soccer pedigree. He is the nephew of Andrew Lederer, who was one of Lowy's closest confidantes and helped run National Soccer League club Sydney City.

Andrew was one of the great servants of the game, managing many Socceroos sides as well as being involved at board level in the Australian Soccer Federation, now known as FFA.

Lederer, who has held a number of meetings with the FFA in recent times, is still mulling over Lowy's offer and is expected to give the head body an answer by the end of the week.

FFA has already registered a number of possible names for a second Sydney team in the A-League, including Western Sydney FC, Sydney Stars, Sydney West and Sydney Wolves.

FFA chief executive Ben Buckley would not confirm the identities of the people behind the western Sydney franchise when he spoke to Melbourne's SEN Radio yesterday morning.

"We have a strong desire and ambition to have a team in western Sydney," Buckley said.

A time frame has not been set.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/the-man-carrying-frank-lowys-hopes/story-fn63e0vj-1226276377096

 

[style_cafe]

Thats why the premier leagues clubs have introduced PDP, fully endorsed by FNSW. From the age of 7 or 8

Acronym for "pinch da players"?

 

[dibo]

Pay Dodgy Players more like

 

[style_cafe]

Millionaire lured for west Sydney side

* by: Tom Smithies
* From: The Daily Telegraph
* February 21, 2012 12:00AM

A MULTI-millionaire soccer-tragic financier is the latest would-be A-League backer to be courted by Frank Lowy as Football Federation Australia bids frantically to build a west Sydney franchise.

Investment guru Anton Tagliaferro has held discussions with the FFA about committing to a west Sydney franchise and assembling a consortium of similarly wealthy followers of the sport.

With Gold Coast United seemingly heading for oblivion and its owner Clive Palmer at war with FFA, a second team in Sydney has become the governing body's overwhelming priority.

Tagliaferro is worth almost $250 million, according to the BRW Rich List, after creating the Investors Mutual fund management house in 1998. And he is a passionate football fan.

Tagliaferro's interest comes in the wake of businessman Paul Lederer also holding talks with Lowy about becoming involved in a second Sydney team, despite a long-standing allegiance to Sydney FC.

Lederer, the CEO of Primo Smallgoods, has known Lowy for many years after inheriting the business from his uncle and selling a stake last year to a private equity business.

In 2006, the Lowy family tried to oust Sydney FC chairman Walter Bugno and install Lederer as chairman, only to abort the plan after fan backlash.

Bugno had overseen the first-season triumph but also a crippling debt.Tagliaferro did not return calls yesterday, and it is unclear whether he and Lederer would be asked to form a consortium together, or are working on parallel proposals.

But having attended the World Cup in 2006 reportedly wearing green and gold war paint, Tagliaferro has helped to establish academies in Sydney run by his beloved AC Milan and lists his interests as "Football!!!! Forza Milan!!!"

With Gold Coast United seemingly certain to be axed at season's end, after Palmer disparaged the league at the weekend, FFA chiefs have sought to speed up attempts to establish a base in a region sought after by all the codes.

Though any attempt to bring a west Sydney team in next season would leave FFA open to accusations of short-termism and expediency, senior figures refuse to rule anything out as the league enters what one terms "uncharted territory".

Palmer and FFA CEO Ben Buckley were due to trade barbs on SBS television last night, with FFA determined that Gold Coast cannot continue in their current form, with their billionaire owner openly dismissive of the A-League and its administration.The club, though, insisted that it had no intention of handing back the licence and Palmer hinted yesterday he is prepared to go to court over it.

Asked if he expected Gold Coast United to remain in the competition, CEO Clive Mensink said: "As I stand here today, that's the idea.

"Nothing has changed but obviously there has been a bit of a disruption. That's it."

Mensink also claimed that Palmer believes he was quoted "out of context".

 

[midfielder]

Would be a powerful combination... Tagliaferro & Paul Ledere

 

[style_cafe]

Lowy is doing his utmost to get Western Sydney up & running..

Anton Tagliaferro is a relly nice guy with property interests on the Central Coast.He lives just north of Sydney but loves coming up to the Central Coast with his family to get away from Sydney & to relax.

One has to ask why Lowy wouldn`t be pushing him our way?

 

[style_cafe]

Would be a powerful combination... Tagliaferro & Paul Ledere

Why combine them?
Let Lederer have Western Sydney & we`ll take Tagliaferro.
That way two problems are solved. verhead:

 

[elevated position]

and we lose a sponsor as well

 

[style_cafe]

and we lose a sponsor as well

Ok then swap them around either or is good for both...lol

I just went for Tagliaferro because I know him.

 

[midfielder]

Why combine them?
Let Lederer have Western Sydney & we`ll take Tagliaferro.
That way two problems are solved. verhead:

Sounds good to me or the other way around ....

 

[midfielder]

One down..

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/white-knight-rejects-business-model-for-a-western-sydney-team/story-fn63e0vj-1226282003362

White knight rejects business model for a western Sydney team
BY: RAY GATT From: The Australian February 27, 2012 12:00AM

FOOTBALL Federation Australia's hopes of getting a western Sydney team up and running in the A-League by next season have been dealt a body blow after its hand-picked white knight turned his back on the idea.

It is understood prominent businessman and passionate football follower Paul Lederer told the FFA on Friday he does not want to be involved in the new franchise because he believes the business model is a recipe for disaster and would leave the club open to incurring huge financial losses.

As revealed in The Australian last week, the FFA approached Lederer, managing director of leading smallgoods company Primo, to head a consortium of eastern suburbs businessmen to get a team from the recognised heartland of the sport in NSW up and running by next season.

He was given several weeks to make a decision and was due to inform the head body at the end of last week.

However, there were already concerns about the FFA's business model, with suggestions it would have to undergo major reconstructive surgery.


FFA chief executive Ben Buckley confirmed late last week that there were ongoing talks with a number of people regarding western Sydney but would not reveal any names.

He said the right structures were in place to have the franchise set up for the 2012-13 season.

Unless FFA chairman Frank Lowy, who vigorously pursued Lederer for at least 12 months to be involved, can get some of his renowned persuasive powers to work, it appears the head body is resigned to Plan B -- whatever that might be.

A source told The Australian there hasdbeen a "parade of eastern suburbs types" through the corridors of the FFA offices in recent weeks.

The Australian also revealed last week that trusted Lowy friend Ron Malek, the joint chief executive of leading independent corporate advisory firm Caliburn, had been enlisted to help FFA bring interested investors to the table.

Finding the people prepared to invest as much as $6 million to start up the club has been a big hurdle for FFA.

According to one source, such is FFA's desperation to get western Sydney in next season that the new franchise would not have to pay a licence fee.

Western Sydney is seen as pivotal to the FFA's plans. The sport has already lost considerable ground to the AFL and NRL in the area, which have poured tens of millions of dollars in what is viewed as "the battle of the west".

The franchise would provide a crucial bargaining chip when the FFA meets to renegotiate its television rights later this year.

It is hoping to snare a massive deal so that it can provide much needed funds to the financially struggling A-League clubs, which are reportedly leaking as much as $30m a season.

 

[Wombat]

Lederer should buy us. Give us a quality marquee and we will be the dominant team in HAL for the next two or three years.

 

[midfielder]

Lucas Neill has been sounded out to invest alongside businessmen Nick Tana, the former Perth Glory owner, Paul Lederer, owner of Primo Smallgoods, and investment guru Anton Tagliaferro... ready for next season playing out of Parrmatta..

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/plans-for-western-sydney-to-have-team-in-a-league-accelarate-lucas-neill-a-potential-investor/story-e6frf4gl-1226288435881

 

[dibo]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/soccer/sydneys-western-suburbs-are-to-be-base-for-new-a-league-club/story-e6frey4r-1226318008602

SOCCER'S bid to own western Sydney is on.

An A-League team based in the western suburbs will be announced today, with soccer chiefs having elected to fund the club themselves, and the aim is to include the new side in next season's competition.

After months of trying to find a wealthy backer for the most prized region in Australian sport, Football Federation Australia will back its belief that a West Sydney team will tap into a huge market that Sydney FC has largely failed to engage with.

Recruitment of players and a coach will begin almost immediately, with a core of local products expected to be an essential part of the building program.

Funding for the club will come from within FFA resources, including the TV grant each club receives plus the contingency fund set aside to prop up any failing clubs this season.

Though funded by FFA directly it will be run by a separate entity, led by an advisory board of football and community figures from the region.

Ultimately there are hopes that a representative of the supporters will be included on the board, a model pioneered by Adelaide United.

It's understood a deal has been struck with Football NSW to use their training facilities and community programs, essentially sharing the association's back office.

In a remarkable twist, The Daily Telegraph understands that $3m of government funding will be announced shortly by Julia Gillard to redevelop the Football NSW headquarters at Parklea - allowing FNSW to abandon its costly but abortive plans to move to a new base at Riverstone.

A further $5m of federal funding will be given to grow soccer in the western suburbs specifically, funding infrastructure and training programs for children. Of that, $1m will be earmarked specifically for the women's game in the west, including a potential W-League team for the new club.

The new team's name, badge and colours are likely to be decided by popular vote, with soccer chiefs sensitive to any suggestion that the new model is being dictated by the game's head office.

Socceroo star Tim Cahill is set to be approached to be an ambassador for the new club, though he is thought to have no plans to return to play.

It's believed no stadium deal has yet been struck apart from an agreement to stage up to three marquee games at ANZ Stadium - most likely derbies with Sydney FC and Melbourne Victory's trips north.

Parramatta Stadium remains the logical choice for the remainder of the new club's home games, though the Showground at Homebush and even Campbelltown Stadium will pitch to be involved.

The advent of the new team seems certain to be the last rites for Gold Coast United, meaning the A-League will stay at 10 teams next season.

Sources close to the project have told The Daily Telegraph that it has received final sign-off by the board, after months of preparatory work, and the new club will be up and running within days.

The new club faces an almighty rush to be ready to play when the new season kicks off in October but documents prepared for it show a substantial amount of work on ticketing, community engagement and possible recruitment has already happened.

Intriguingly FFA owns the contracts of four Gold Coast players, including young talent Ben Halloran.

A coach originating in western Sydney such as Tony Popovic or Ante Milicic will also be an obvious target, though it's thought that Popovic is adamant he will stay as assistant at Crystal Palace while Milicic is in line to succeed John van 't Schip at Melbourne Heart.

 

[dibo]

The team name must be Unicorns FC. *Must* be!

 

[Forum Phoenix]

"The new team's name, badge and colours are likely to be decided by popular vote"

Very exciting indeed. I'm pretty sure if we contact teh other supporter groups we could get Unicorn FC over the line ;D