Turbulence (then calm sailing, then turbulence) thread.

[nearlyyellow]

The assumption (from me among others) was that there had to be something missing as the number was too low to be feasible. Turns out it's really cheap.

Lucky Us. That's one part of the chaff/crap/misinformation/misunderstanding/miscommunication or whatever we can now discount as a reason for *not* playing home games at CCS.

 

[Paolo]

The assumption (from me among others) was that there had to be something missing as the number was too low to be feasible. Turns out it's really cheap.

Interesting to note in an article re: Brookvale

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...834677330?nk=7e1d5d83eba22b8ae00a4ce0171e295d

Ironically, the Mariners interest in playing at Brookvale Oval has emerged just days after The Daily Telegraph reported Sea Eagles fans will be asked to pay an increased entry fee to watch home games this season.

An infrastructure levy by Warringah Council, who own Brookvale Oval, will bump up the cost of admission by $1. The ticket price increase stems from a $25,000 rise in the rent price to play at the run-down suburban ground.

Implies that it's near on impossible that our rental deal for the game at Brookvale could be less then $7500 at Grahame park.

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[Einstein]

Being played like fools.

 

[Capt. Awesome]

Interesting to note in an article re: Brookvale

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...834677330?nk=7e1d5d83eba22b8ae00a4ce0171e295d

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Implies that it's near on impossible that our rental deal for the game at Brookvale could be less then $7500 at Grahame park.

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I thought Brookvale was giving us a mega cheap deal so they could gain a government funded upgrade because they could then claim it was a multi use stadium.

 

[pjennings]

Bruce's ramble started with him talking about looking at all the operations. This is not unreasonable. The unreasonable thing is coming up with an answer that doesn't address the problems identified and has the potential to create a myriad of more problems.

The bit I noticed is that it is the corporate sector that we struggle in. The club may think that by pursuing their "northern corridor strategy" that they can fix this. Anecdotally, though, the reason they struggle here is not there aren't people that want to get involved, it's that the club just doesn't cater for this segment well. Unless they invest in more staff to look after corporates that is always going to be the case. Chasing the Northern Sydney areas is only going to put existing staff, who obviously can't cope, under more pressure.

 

[nearlyyellow]

The club may think that by pursuing their "northern corridor strategy" that they can fix this. Anecdotally, though, the reason they struggle here is not there aren't people that want to get involved, it's that the club just cater for this segment well. Unless they invest in more staff to look after corporates that is always going to be the case. Chasing the Northern Sydney areas is only going to put existing staff, who obviously can't cope, under more pressure.

Sorry, you did mean "it's that the club just doesn't cater for this segment well", didn't you?

 

[pjennings]

Sorry, you did mean "it's that the club just doesn't cater for this segment well", didn't you?

Thanks - exactly what I meant - fixed now

 

[greenlig]

This all makes me feel sad and helpless. Feels like any solution that we could possibly come up with will be met with a fresh reason why it won't work.

Curious, what are the sponsorship packages worth?

 

[pjennings]

The other thing is the walk up cost. I sit on the halfway line on the Western Concourse. This costs me as a member around $20 a game. A similar or worse ticket on the Eastern Concourse, where you are further away and baking in the sun costs more than $30. This is not the way to encourage people to the game.

 

[adz]

Curious, what are the sponsorship packages worth?

http://www.ccmariners-corporate.com.au

 

[nearlyyellow]

http://www.ccmariners-corporate.com.au

Thanks, but perhaps as an indication of just how inept CCM are the listing for NSO says:

On December 19, North Sydney Oval will play host to its first Hyundai A-League match which will feature the Central Coast Mariners against Wellington Phoenix.

and:

Where: North Sydney Oval
When: Thursday December 19 (Doors open at 5:30pm, Dinner served at 6pm, match kicks off at 7:30pm)

and:

Mariners Corporate Events
Central Coast Mariners Race Day - Luncheon
Date: Sunday 9 February 2014

and:

Central Coast Mariners 2013/14 Home Fixtures
Bluetongue Stadium, Gosford

And then gives a listing of last season's games.
No doubt the pricing is all wrong too!

Not a good look for any Corporate type trawling the CCM website thinking about sponsorship/corporate/private suites!

Fair bloody dinkum!

 

[scottmac]

I understand your gripe with that, but corporate sponsorship is not gained that way. It's gained with a sales team. Mind you I'm not saying the effort is there either way.

 

[nearlyyellow]

It doesn't indicate a thorough attitude to the whole matter of selling yourself, of selling the club to the very people that seem to matter most, at the moment. I have actually been involved in sponsorship deals in a previous life, and one of the very things I did as part of my research was to examine the online presence of the target. It's not a gripe, it's an observation of an indication of a lack of thoroughness, of commitment to ensure what you are selling is presented in every facet as ideal.

 

[midfielder]

The stadium rent at 7,500 changes my mind... How the f##k. do we not make money

 

[Bladesman]

The stadium rent at 7,500 changes my mind... How the f##k. do we not make money

Incompetence of the CEO (not ruling that out after the podcast and the way the off field side of things are run) or more likely with anything McCabe is involved with because we are actually a property company not a football club so if it was just the football side we would make money but because of the loans and debt structures we would need a much bigger income to make money. 3rd option is that we just don't want to so we can be relocated.

 

[Jaundice]

There is F all corperate money on the coast I would hazard a guess, that's why a shedload of us work in Sydney. North Sydney on the other hand....

But from the sounds of it the mariners would struggle to organise a root in a brothel.

Masterfoods have been fantastic the giant sauce bottles and what not has been great marketing in my opinion so you have to give some credit there. Everyone knows about the Mariners and the masterfoods bottles.

Just quietly I don't let the Mrs buy any other sauce, marinade etc products

 

[Jaundice]

I just posted it on the CCM twitter feed. Maybe everyone with twitter accounts should do this as well. We need to do something to stop this nonsense.

I found this part interesting:

"And the locals have fed the Mariners for the last 10 years. Average home attendance over the decade is about 9500. Here's a sample list of European clubs who do about the same, or worse: Monaco, Evian, Genclerbirligi, Zulte Waregem, AIK Stockholm, Heracles Almelo, PEC Zwolle, Lillestrom, Aalborg, Getafe, Grasshoppers Zurich, Lierse, Panathinaikos, Vitoria de Setubal, Boavista."

Monaco is owned by a trillionaire, id imagine others would have deep pockets too and a love for football not as an investment.

These are countries where football is the number 1 sport with a proper football culture. I doubt they have salary caps, minimum spending or a tenacious PFA. Id imagine healthy revenue streams and would be pumping out Mat Ryans, Trent Sainsbury's and the like on a conveyor belt earning transfer fees.

 

[rbakersmith]

http://www.ccmariners-corporate.com.au

That's an old link.

The corporate brochure under the "Corporate" menu on ccmariners.com.au (after it eventually loads - why use Flash when a PDF would suffice???) lists the following rates:

• Corporate Suites (Eastern or Western Grandstand): $180/head (12 minimum)
• Corporate Outdoor Box (Western Grandstand): $110/head catered or $55/head uncatered (8 minimum for either option)
• Mariners Beach Bar: $100/head (15 minimum)
• Business Supporter Sponsorship: $3,500 per season
• Player Sponsorship: $10,000 per season
• Match Day Sponsorship: $10,000 per season
• Parapet Signage: $5,000/6m board per season on the Eastern Grandstand, $3,000 on the Western Grandstand
• LED Signage: $30,000 per season
• Bolsters: $10,000 per season (two bolsters on Eastern touchline)
• In-Goal Signage: $30,000 per season
• 3D Mat: $30,000 per season

They then go into the various rates for events like the season launch, Mariners Medal and corporate days

 

[nearlyyellow]

That's an old link.

The corporate brochure under the "Corporate" menu on ccmariners.com.au (after it eventually loads - why use Flash when a PDF would suffice???) lists the following rates:

Thanks, I am a bit relieved, and red faced. I take back my previous post. There's no reference at all to the old link and it's outdated information that I can see, so all is good with the Corporate Information then.

 

[bikinigirl]

. forgive me if the conversation has moved on because i am still several pages behind on my reading ... but i would like to address this:

Maybe part of the problem is the lack of alignment generally.

Support sorta sits in a few different places between three places:

• this online community - including a lot of the original Marinators
• the Yellow Army, which is much more Facebook and Twitter driven
• the Official Supporters Club

There isn't one voice. It'd be good if there were.

... and this:

You could probably add Central Coast Mariners members to this list

. unfortunately this is the case ... but you could also add: casual supporters, pretend supporters, casual observers and any other group ... many of which may have the best interests of the club and the coast (forgive my parochialism out-of-towners) at heart

. although i am no longer a committee member i was actively involved in establishing the CCMOSC ... it was long, painful and done with as much involvement of the club that they were willing to provide ... and this unity was a primary reason for setting the thing up

. i like to refer to it as a non-denominational supporters club ... it doesn't matter if you are part of the vocal 'active' support, a member on this forum, new or old fan, member or not ... it doesn't even matter if you attend games. none of the current committee are members of this forum (to my knowledge) nor are they part of the yellow army (although there have been representatives in the past)

. the idea was to get fans unified behind the team and to provide an opportunity to voice your concerns through to the club. of course the opportunity is always there to do this by yourself - but some don't feel comfortable doing that ... and others have experienced how powerful the voice of one really isn't

. i have conveyed some of the comments posted on this thread to the OSC and the general consensus is the message that they are pushing with the club ... what they desperately wish for is numbers. they need to be able to turn to the club and say ... listen we represent x number of members ... approximately y% of your membership base and this is what they are telling us

. it is easy for people to come on here or facebook and vent (i know i do it) ... but it doesn't actually achieve anything. these guys are trying, but they need more heads banging on the wall. the bigger the X and Y become the better chance they, and all of us stand

. if you baulk at the cost of joining rest assured they do have legitimate expenses. personally i think the $20 is bugger all in the scheme of things and cheaper than attending a game at north sydney oval