The Salt Mine: Dig Deep, Stay Salty

[Hello Sailor]

So you have a final solution in mind for disabled people?
It's been done before

Ticks off number three.
And No, and you know I wasnt.

 

[Hello Sailor]

Is someone else writing your posts? Because if your memory is that bad, you should probably see a neurosurgeon to find out what's happening.

If only there was some way to see what you had written....

Ohhh, my mistake. You're another one who thinks that insults are only insults when other people use them against you.

Because you've said something, it can't be an insult!

Why not just answer the question? We both know that its because I didn't call anyone here a name. [Unless you are self-identifying as a bleeding heart]

 

[Hello Sailor]

Yawn.

Maybe look up what a strawman is.

Simply throwing it around like that just makes you look silly.

But yes, like everything else you do on here, it's just a way to prevent actual debate.

Maybe look at yourself before you start accusing others of fallacies

No, I think YOU need clarity on that definition.
Where did I say that "I view compassion and contributing to the greater good as a character flaw, and utter selfishness as the way to be."

We both know I didn't and so does Ironbark.

 

[Time to go.]

I described you that way. I didn't say you said that. Keep up.

 

[Hello Sailor]

I described you that way. I didn't say you said that. Keep up.

Yes you DID describe me that way. Its not something I said or believe, but hey, so long as it makes you feel morally superior knock yourself out.

 

[Hello Sailor]

Maybe look up what a strawman is.

A strawman is YOU saying that I said disabled people should be in a tented camp.

 

[Time to go.]

It's a description of what you said. Of how you behave on here and the sentiments you spout.

You're free to hold any opinion you like - and I'm just as free to criticise it as the unevolved, callous tripe it is.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Yes you DID describe me that way. Its not something I said or believe, but hey, so long as it makes you feel morally superior knock yourself out.

Absolute horseshit, given your constant jabs at "bleeding hearts " and your childish "oh yes, look, that's another bleeding heart I can tick off".

f**ks sake, stop lying. Can you do that? Is that possible for you?

It's just a really sad avoidance of taking personal responsibility for anything your saying, this constant gaslighting and denying your own words. But, oh, you didn't mean it THAT way, anybody who infers anything negative is clearly at fault!

Gaslighting every single post. Time for some personal reflection.

 

[Hello Sailor]

You're free to hold any opinion you like - and I'm just as free to criticise it as the unevolved, callous tripe it is.

Unevolved? If you mean that I bluntly identify a problem that others prefer to ignore or dance around then Thank You, I'll take that as a compliment!

Callous? Should discussing this expensive program be taboo? Even the minister and the midwife of the NDIS acknowledged that it was massively rorted and was unsustainable and tried to clean it up.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Unevolved? If you mean that I bluntly identify a problem that others prefer to ignore or dance around then Thank You, I'll take that as a compliment!

Callous? Should discussing this expensive program be taboo? Even the minister and the midwife of the NDIS acknowledged that it was massively rorted and was unsustainable and tried to clean it up.

Is the ND

Hey look, more gaslighting and misrepresentation of other peoples arguments so you can continue to clutch pearls and pretend to be a victim.

Another tick!

 

[Hello Sailor]

Absolute horseshit, given your constant jabs at "bleeding hearts " and your childish "oh yes, look, that's another bleeding heart I can tick off".

f**ks sake, stop lying. Can you do that? Is that possible for you?

It's just a really sad avoidance of taking personal responsibility for anything your saying, this constant gaslighting and denying your own words. But, oh, you didn't mean it THAT way, anybody who infers anything negative is clearly at fault!

Gaslighting every single post. Time for some personal reflection.

This is exactly what I predicted and you delivered in spades. Just waiting on three more now.

Rather than debate the issue, in the short space of time since I dared open this topic for discussion, I have been called:
a Someone wanting to deny people clean air, water food and shelter.
b An advocate for Aktion T4
c Indoctrinated, an arsehole or both.
d Wanting to send disabled people to a tented camp.
e a Hypocrite
f Selfish and lacking compassion
g Someone who thinks that disabled people are leeches and should have no rights
h Someone who thinks f**k the disabled, they're not actually human.
i brain damaged.
j Gas lighter
k. a Liar

Congratulations, this must be some sort of record.

 

[Hello Sailor]

Hey look, more gaslighting and misrepresentation of other peoples arguments so you can continue to clutch pearls and pretend to be a victim.

Another tick!

HAVE there been arguments by others? I probably missed them amid all of the insults

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Yawn, more lies, gaslighting and avoiding responsibility. Right on cue.

You know full well that you intentionally write your posts to shut down debate and to deligitimise any opposition. You're sulking because you finally got called out on it.

Unfortunately, your dishonesty and gaslighting suggests you have no interest in learning and being better.

Anyway, I'm bored of this now

 

[Big Al]

The cost of living issues existed under LNP. It was already happening under them. At least inflation has slowed right down under ALP.

So, I wholly disagree with the premise of your first sentence - but it's the same sort of misinformation we keep seeing from the bots on social media. Not accusing you of misinformation, but the premise that ALP are responsible for the cost of living crisis, or that they've done nothing, is wholly false.

Of course, the idea that the LNP have even the slightest interest in reducing cost of living is laughable, but that's a separate matter

Of course, I would love for Labor to have done more - but they have done quite a bit in this space.

The tax cuts are smart politically. Puts a small amount of money back into people's pockets - and managed to get the LNP to vote against this! There are broader problems with out tax system, yes, but this is something.

Oh, it's 'should have' not 'should of' - it doesn't abbreviate to should'f

This is the wrong budget to be increasing the levy. Just gives the LNP power to attack.

Honestly, I think one of the best things they could do for medicare, would be to legislate against employers requiring a medical certificate for a single day off work. I'd love to know how much medicare money is being spent on those appointments. It's an absurd, outdated, pointless requirement (Fairwork have ruled in favour of a stat dec - but then the question remains, if that's the case, why do they approve EBAs which require a medical cert?).

Medicare is a shadow of what it once was, though. It would take huge amounts of money to repair the damage, let alone expand it to where it should be. And that's only part of the problem with our health system. Access to "specialists" is a big problem - $250-300 for a 5-min appointment that's usually completely useless, with a tiny medicare rebate.


The fuel excise relief has been overstated by the LNP anyway. And won't benefit nearly as many people as the tax cuts.

That is true but they were in power under the circumstances and usually you would pay for that as a government. Irrespective of cause or reason. They didn’t help themselves by worrying about the aboriginal charter instead of cost living issues when they were really becoming a stressful issue.
The electricity rebate while helpful wasn’t effective to most because power prices kept going up (even though labor said they wouldn’t). There isn’t many who would be going yay that helped (even though it did) because it just wasn’t visual to people.

Labors spending hasn’t helped inflation.

The reason inflation slowed is not because of political policies but because people hit there limits and adjusted spending. How the system is supposed to work. Hence interest rates were higher (they actually aren’t that high and should never have been so low).

Tax cuts we disagree. That’s fine.

I agree Liberals won’t do much to help.

I agree on Medicare usage. Online platforms are coming in to help for those willing to pay.
Maybe you can so that. Medical certificates cost xx for every worker. But i agree a certificate shouldn’t be required for first two days. Not to many take the piss as it’s usually very obvious when someone is pretty sick. You can usually tell by there voice or sniffing or coughing.

Problem is costs keep rising for medicare but the funding hadn’t.

It’s not friendly and no government likes putting up tax but sometimes it’s necessary for the people. Agree though you don’t do it in an election but it’s needed.

 

[Big Al]

I think Temu Trump has overestimated the Australian appetite for Trumpism (despite a couple on this thread having a hard-on for him and/or his brand of hate-politics). I have to be honest, I thought it would be working better for him.

The Trumpism and culture wars are an absolute blight on this country. It's ridiculous. And this RTO bullshit is just another part of that.

But hey - conservatives and introducing policy that goes against evidence, name a better duo?

Not to mention his anti-women comments - telling women they should just work part-time instead. It's actually mindblowing how appalling that was.

But wow, it's almost like somebody who is sucking off the taxpayer teat with a childcare network might have a vested interest in driving more people towards more childcare. Who'd have thunk it? It's not like we're talking about somebody dodgy enough for insider trading here.

People who think WFH needs to stop need to remember that even those who can't WFH are benefitting from WFH. Less traffic on the road is a good thing for everybody.

Agree there is an element of trumpiism people like but overall it’s not how Australia is or thinks.

WFH is classic. It saved the economy in its hour of need. It helps families in cost of living issues. The trade off is less people out in cafes etc. also not great but something has to give. At the end of the day the people who want to kill WFH are the big bosses who are pissed they are the only ones in the office and don’t have people to boss around to make them feel important

I work in an office 5 days but i have the freedom to work from home if i an sick or have a doctor appointment or car service etc. it works great. I don’t need to use Annual Leave and haven’t had a sick day in years because i can work even if at half pace without infecting others or annoying them with coughing etc. WFH is not a smart thing to target.

 

[true believer]

Why not just answer the question? We both know that its because I didn't call anyone here a name. [Unless you are self-identifying as a bleeding heart]

see yes or no on islam wedge

 

[true believer]

Unevolved? If you mean that I bluntly identify a problem that others prefer to ignore or dance around then Thank You, I'll take that as a compliment!

Callous? Should discussing this expensive program be taboo? Even the minister and the midwife of the NDIS acknowledged that it was massively rorted and was unsustainable and tried to clean it up.

shooh don't say franking credits or negitive gearing

 

[true believer]

HAVE there been arguments by others? I probably missed them amid all of the insults

sure ! you have consistantly represented yourself as a moderate fence sitter.
but you are constantly exposed as a right wing shrill

 

[Hello Sailor]

Yawn, more lies, gaslighting and avoiding responsibility. Right on cue.

You know full well that you intentionally write your posts to shut down debate and to deligitimise any opposition. You're sulking because you finally got called out on it.

Unfortunately, your dishonesty and gaslighting suggests you have no interest in learning and being better.

Anyway, I'm bored of this now

I've lost count of the number of things you have wrong, but I'll try to set you straight.
1. I didn't call anyone a name unless you think 'bleeding heart' is an insult.
2. If I had your politics I would wear that as a badge of honour. Instead you use it as an excuse to avoid debating the merits, flaws, costs of the NDIS or other alternatives.
3. I didn't create a straw man. You cant even state/describe the straw man I supposedly built.
4.YOU inferred that I wanted disabled people housed in a tent camp, when this is untrue. That's your fantasy, not mine.
5." Go on some rant and immediately say "oh, anybody who disagrees is a [insert conservative buzzword here)", while pretending you're really really there for genuine debate, when it's clear you're not." Actually this is very common on your side of the political fence in this forum. Damning someone's position and stifling debate because they read a different newspaper or watch Sky etc [sound familiar now?]. The buzzwords you lot regularly use include 'fascist', 'nazi' 'ignorant' ,'c**t' and 'unevolved' which I actually LOVE and take as a compliment
6. If you bother to look at my 'rants', you'll notice that the pattern is quite different from what you say.
I raise matters that people like you find confronting because they are grounded in fact and I can support my positions with evidence.
7. Surely you see the irony in the following statement lol. "Grow up, stop being a hypocrite, and stop using insults against anybody who dares to not agree with you wholeheartedly".
The only possible 'insult' I used is addressed in points one and two above. Compare that with the alphabet of insults and falsities attributed to me by tolerant people such as you and your pals.
8. I have not lied. Clearly show me where-you know that you cant so you spew vitriol as a parting shot.
9. I have not gas-lit. I can only assume that you make reference to being a bleeding heart. See points 1, and 2.
10. I have not misrepresented anyone's arguments. There has not BEEN any argument on this subject. You made a passing reference to some flaws in the NDIS and that's about it.
11. I dont own any pearls to clutch and dont see myself as a victim. A taxpayer concerned about overspending, yes, a victim no.
12. If you think that being called a bleeding heart stops you from debating effectively, you must be very poor at debate. If I was offended, it would spur me to argue a case well.
13.I'm not sulking.
14. You 'called out' something that didnt exist. I ENCOURAGE debate on this topic. You slinging insults isn't a substitute. If you think that identifying yourself as a bleeding heart 'delegitimises' your opposition, you are a snowflake.
15. If I 'shut down debate' then its by presenting facts, and you in particular should know this by now.

 

[true believer]

yes/no answers please