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[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Just like the Czechs were brow beaten, betrayed and excluded in the Munich Agreement. Luhansk and Donetsk are the current Sudetenland. Its disgusting.

The implications go beyond the Russian American President and the fall of the USA.

Ukraine had nukes - they gave them up in support of nuclear non-proliferation in exchange for security and assurance from Russia to respect their independence.

Russia has went against that, of course. But now that the USA is betraying Ukraine and backing Russia - and the Murdoch media is now somehow blaming Ukraine for daring to defend themselves - it's a collapse of that agreement.

The clear global implications being that no country will ever be able to be persuaded to give up their nukes, given that the agreement was not only worth nothing, but the country that likes to fashion itself as the 'world's police' has finally been bought off.

Depending on just how bad the outcome in Ukraine is, this will actually give other nations a reason to develop nukes. Because...why on earth wouldn't they?

America can no longer offer any assurances to any countries they're trying to negotiate proliferation with.

And well....I'm sure I don't need to spell out how much of a problem that is.

Not to mention, losing the proxy war in Ukraine makes America look...well, about as impotent and powerless as Vice President Trump did at his desk when Musk talked over the top of him. I mean, sure, America usually loses wars, so that's nothing new, but capitulating in this manner kind of is.

I'm sure China is watching this very carefully in their considerations around Taiwan, their South China Sea claims...and, well, anything else they have an eye on.

Oh, and Trump has referred himself as a King, so that's fun. And CPAC - the ultra-conservative conference with a demonstrated history of supporting neo-nazism - have banners and handouts about "Project Third Term".

But, we knew all of this would happen, before the election.

 

[marinermick]

When the researchers measured levels of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein — the part of the virus that enables it to penetrate and infect host cells and what COVID-19 vaccines use to trigger immune responses against the virus — they found that some individuals with PVS, even those without evidence for infection, had higher levels of spike protein than controls. Typically spike protein can be detected for a few days after vaccination, but some participants with PVS had detectable levels more than 700 days after their last vaccination. Persistent spike protein has been associated with long COVID as well.

Immune markers of post vaccination syndrome indicate future research directions

A small number of people report chronic symptoms after receiving COVID-19 shots. A new study provides clues for further research.

news.yale.edu

700 days xD

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.02.18.25322379v1.full.pdf is the preprint, perhaps our resident immunologist could break this down for us plebs @marinermick

I never claimed to be an immunologist. I posted that I work in immunology and know more than most, but my knowledge is a small percentage of everything you can know. I refer to the experts I work with in that area, not internet “researchers”.

Anyway, I read your article and that article offers no new knowledge in that area.

My take out from the article:
- A small percentage get side effects from the vaccine (known)
- Some of these people get chronic symptoms from those side effects (also known)
- Those who get chronic symptoms get initial side effects early

Given this, how does information contradict to anything I have typed stating that side effects are rare, they are identified early, and there are no new side effects that occur in the long term?

 

[Spacks]

I never claimed to be an immunologist. I posted that I work in immunology and know more than most, but my knowledge is a small percentage of everything you can know. I refer to the experts I work with in that area, not internet “researchers”.

Anyway, I read your article and that article offers no new knowledge in that area.

My take out from the article:
- A small percentage get side effects from the vaccine (known)
- Some of these people get chronic symptoms from those side effects (also known)
- Those who get chronic symptoms get initial side effects early

Given this, how does information contradict to anything I have typed stating that side effects are rare, they are identified early, and there are no new side effects that occur in the long term?

It doesn't I just wanted your input holy f**k settle down

 

[Hello Sailor]

I was going to get back to you but I have been caught up with work and had zero time to articulate my comments.

As a short response, your Y/N questions serve no purpose to debate whatsoever. The situation is far more complex than those simplicities.

Are Muslim fundamentalists bad yes? Yes
Did what Hamas do in killing and kidknapping the Israelis wrong and bad? Yes
Is the subsequent genocide of tens of thousands of Palestinians wrong by Zionists? Yes

The questions you asked were obvious in their intent and did nothing to add to the debate.

The Y/N questions make you consider these issues.
Where is the complexity in agreeing that the koran and hadiths contain jew-hating passages? They DO, and you are right, there is no debating this.
Ditto the long history of murder, forced conversion and enslavement of Jews by muslims, the cosy relationship between the Grand Mufti and Adolph, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's desire to 'wipe Israel off the map', the nature of exponential growth, the jew hatred seen on campuses and public places by muslims their supporters and the inadequate response by authorities Finally there's a really simple question about whether you condemn any muslim preacher teaching anti-Jewish ideas. Where's the complexity?

I didn't expect you to use weasel words to excuse the inexcusable.

 

[Hello Sailor]

Russia has went against that, of course. But now that the USA is betraying Ukraine and backing Russia - and the Murdoch media is now somehow blaming Ukraine for daring to defend themselves - it's a collapse of that agreement.

True, except that the UK and the USA were also signatories along with Russia and that made no difference when Putin invaded Crimea.
Written guarantees are worthless. In any deal Ukraine should be granted all of its territory including Crimea, reparations from Russia and full NATO membership. I'd like our government to increase its support now that the USA no longer values the Truman Doctrine.

I think Trump is backing Netanyahu and Putin because among other reasons he is a weak man, and wants to be seen as backing winners [and those two certainly look like winning at the moment]. Remember he didn't want to visit US war dead in France because they were 'suckers' and 'losers'.
American Isolationism came at great cost after WW1 and probably will again.

 

[Spacks]

I'd like our government to increase its support now that the USA no longer values the Truman Doctrine.

Lol what does it have to do with us? We're half a world away. Sell them military equipment sure, but no more financial assistance nor troops on the ground.

 

[marinermick]

It doesn't I just wanted your input holy f**k settle down

Okay mate, have another beer

 

[FFC Mariner]

They've started early tonight

 

[marinermick]

Finally there's a really simple question about whether you condemn any muslim preacher teaching anti-Jewish ideas. Where's the complexity?

Why wouldn’t anyone not condemn this? The question serves no purpose.

 

[marinermick]

They've started early tonight

Friday afternoon tradie sessions at the pub. There was some rain this afternoon. Good excuse to down a few and have a slap on the pokies.

Social media is probably best avoided though.

 

[true believer]

I don’t get see the content of those morons I have blocked but I have become aware that your references to ‘drivel’ and ‘wedge politics’ refers to the challenge that you and your pals didn’t accept.

If you considered the facts in my first post were ’drivel’ you could have stated that then and explained why, rather than resort to some oblique condemnation by approving Paolo’s uninformed response on a minor point.

If you don’t agree with any of the questions just say No. If you don’t have the stomach to accept the challenge, fine. [I understand the reluctance to do that since a NO response will be very difficult to justify].

I explained when you asked why the Y/N format.

For someone I respected for his requirement for evidence-based arguments, I am disappointed that you have buried your head in the sand and dismissed evidence as ‘wedge politics’.

infantile twat shown up as a pathological liar and "fence sitter" .
having the understanding of history of a second grader

 

[true believer]

The Y/N questions make you consider these issues.
Where is the complexity in agreeing that the koran and hadiths contain jew-hating passages? They DO, and you are right, there is no debating this.
Ditto the long history of murder, forced conversion and enslavement of Jews by muslims, the cosy relationship between the Grand Mufti and Adolph, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's desire to 'wipe Israel off the map', the nature of exponential growth, the jew hatred seen on campuses and public places by muslims their supporters and the inadequate response by authorities Finally there's a really simple question about whether you condemn any muslim preacher teaching anti-Jewish ideas. Where's the complexity?

I didn't expect you to use weasel words to excuse the inexcusable.

zionism 101

 

[true believer]

cant wait for the dutton fans to start cheering on shirt fronting china while 3 of their warships .
came within 150 km of sydney .
even money we get ww3 this year . great job conservatives

 

[Wombat]

cant wait for the dutton fans to start cheering on shirt fronting china while 3 of their warships .
came within 150 km of sydney .
even money we get ww3 this year . great job conservatives

YOUR MSM loved the China story. Albo was not interested which was smart on his behalf.
If we have forgiven China for Covid, there is a fare chance we will forgive them for shooting off a few guns 600km away with nobody hurt.

 

[true believer]

YOUR MSM loved the China story. Albo was not interested which was smart on his behalf.
If we have forgiven China for Covid, there is a fare chance we will forgive them for shooting off a few guns 600km away with nobody hurt.

actually it was 150 nm 276 km . according to sky .
thats what happens to your defence capability, when you have the LNP/torys running the show for 10 years.

ooh and the MSM are owned entirely by conservatives . the same guy that installed trump , boris and scomo
but brexit was about fishing right

 

[Paolo]

The Y/N questions make you consider these issues.
Where is the complexity in agreeing that the koran and hadiths contain jew-hating passages? They DO, and you are right, there is no debating this.
Ditto the long history of murder, forced conversion and enslavement of Jews by muslims, the cosy relationship between the Grand Mufti and Adolph, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's desire to 'wipe Israel off the map', the nature of exponential growth, the jew hatred seen on campuses and public places by muslims their supporters and the inadequate response by authorities Finally there's a really simple question about whether you condemn any muslim preacher teaching anti-Jewish ideas. Where's the complexity?

I didn't expect you to use weasel words to excuse the inexcusable.

And what is your point?

Apart from just shouting muslims = bad...is there a policy position/s you are advocating that Australia should take in response?

If so, I'd actually be interested in hearing what it is.

 

[true believer]

And what is your point?

Apart from just shouting muslims = bad...is there a policy position/s you are advocating that Australia should take in response?

If so, I'd actually be interested in hearing what it is.

the point is fake culture wars . for echo chamber karens

 

[FFC Mariner]

And what is your point?

Apart from just shouting muslims = bad...is there a policy position/s you are advocating that Australia should take in response?

If so, I'd actually be interested in hearing what it is.

But Muslims are not only bad but Rupert tells me they are to blame for everything I think is wrong with my life.