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The EPL thread

serious14

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Andrew, what was that about a Europa hangover??  You lulled me into a false sense of security you bastard.

3-0.  :p

*edit*  Christ, I just remember that Ladbrokes was offering both Lollerpool/United to lose at 40/1.  F*CK!!!!  :-[

*double edit*  Congratulations Fulham - you have replaced West Ham as our capital bogey team.  3-0 at full time.
 

Sym

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farkkkkk
fairly sure I saw Fulham were paying $8.50 for the win somewhere
was tempting, but never bet on the enemy.
 

FFC Mariner

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Scholes. Time to give it away now mate you are making a fool of yourself.

rumours that the Fa are sniffing around Sir Roy in case (when) England f**k it up in S Africa
 

FFC Mariner

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Sacked in the morning, you're getting sacked in the morning

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FFC Mariner

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ENGLAND football captain John Terry is SELLING private access to himself and his club through hush-hush 10,000 cash deals.

The Chelsea skipper uses notorious ticket tout Tony Bruce as a fixer. On Thursday the pair took 200 50 notes from News of the World investigators for a tour of the Premier League team's five-star training facility.

Terry, 29, said his share would go to a kids' charity but insisted we keep the deal secret, adding: "If the club finds out, it's a little bit. . ."

Terry took the secret 10,000 cash payment this week to lay on a behind-the-scenes tour of Chelsea's training ground.

He arranged the backstage visit for an undercover News of the World team WITHOUT permission from his club's boss Carlo Ancelotti.

And it was all fixed by middle-man Tony Bruce, 58 - a well-known ticket tout. Multi-millionaire Terry told our men he would give his 8,000 share of the fee to the Make A Wish charity that fixes treats for terminally ill children. The remaining 2,000 went to Bruce for his "cut."

The 160,000-a-week defender hosted our three reporters, posing as rich businessmen, for more than two hours at the state-of-the-art ground in Cobham, Surrey.

He gave them a full tour of the facilities and showed off star players Didier Drogba and Michael Ballack as they lounged in a Jacuzzi in their underpants.

And he laid on lunch in the canteen where the 10,000 in 50 notes was handed over to Bruce in a black folder as a smiling Terry looked on. Just yards away manager Ancelotti, 50, was also dining, without a clue about the huge sum of money changing hands nearby.

It was then the soccer star and the tout went to great pains to insist we keep all details of the pricey visit under our hats - for fear the club's management would find out and end Terry's private wheeler-dealing.

With a grin Terry whispered: "If the club finds out, it's a little bit. . . you know."

Sharp-suited Bruce - from Bromley, Kent - warned that if problems ever arose HE would take the rap and we must DENY Terry was involved.

He said: "If anything ever goes wrong, then you say, 'John didn't know nothing about that.'

"John just can turn round and say, 'Tony Bruce, he shouldn't be doing that.' He can deny it." Terry nodded his head and said: "Yeah."

Then Bruce mentioned the money. One of our men produced the cash in a black folder and said: "Yeah, I've got 10 grand here." Bruce said: "Right, give that to me." And Terry chipped in: "Give it to Tony."

A delighted Terry watched as the money was handed over. The whole deal was secretly videoed by our team and we are making it available to Chelsea and the Football Association.

Terry - worth 17million according to the Sunday Times Rich List - offered to lay on THREE more similar tours of the training ground over the next few weeks.

Bruce said future visits would be fine provided we came up with "the readies". Terry told our team: "Yeah, we can sort that out." Terry then again impressed on us how it was important the arrangements were kept secret from anyone else at the club.

Told there would be more clients next week, Terry said: "Yeah, but you brief them that they don't speak to no one. Cos if anyone finds out, then we can't do it no more.

"If you sort of brief them before, we can do as many as. . . and go through Tony."

Bruce - a friend of Terry since he was a Chelsea trainee - then underlined his buddy's concern, repeating that the visits would need to be "very, very low profile". And Terry agreed: "Yeah."

Our revelations are sure to anger boss Ancelotti. He will be alarmed his captain is allowing strangers access to the club's inner sanctum behind his back for money. Terry even gave an insight into tactics as the team prepared for today's match against West Ham.

Thursday morning's ground visit was arranged after a two-month News of the World investigation into financial deals involving Terry. Bruce had already sorted us a 5,000 box at Wembley for an England under-21 match AND touted 11 tickets - which he bragged came from players - for Chelsea's crunch home game against Man United.

Bruce originally asked 5,000 for a private meeting with the England skipper at Chelsea's Stamford Bridge ground - "as long as John's happy with the fees".

But when the venue was switched to the training ground the price doubled - because Terry wanted a "little bit more" for the privileged access.

We were already investigating Terry when a marketing firm to which he is linked sparked comment by sending out an email, featuring the FIFA World Cup logo, looking for commercial endorsements ahead of next year's finals.

Terry was not in breach of any rules and insisted the email had been sent without his knowledge. But senior figures at the FA were embarrassed because it made the England captain look "greedy".

And England boss Fabio Capello is said to be concerned that Terry is too money-orientated, particularly at a time when the Chelsea team he leads is leaking goals. The evening before our meeting Terry had skippered Chelsea in an unconvincing 2-1 win over bottom club Portsmouth.

When our men arrived at Cobham at 10.30am we were asked to sign in at the main entrance as guests of 'JT' before being led up to the players' dining area. Access to the ground is strictly controlled. And reporters have been known to need 48 hours' notice to gain admittance.

But our men were ushered through without any fuss. Terry, in a Chelsea training top, was buttering toast as he greeted us with warm handshakes. He smiled and said: "Help yourselves to breakfast. Do you want tea or coffee?" Thanked for sorting the trip out, Terry replied: "Yeah, no problem. Any time for Tony." At Terry's invitation we were then allowed to watch the Chelsea stars train for 90 minutes before joining him for lunch in the canteen and handing over the cash. Bruce said: "I'll have to give it to him discreetly."

Terry then sat with us, chatted about the World Cup and we discussed a proposed deal where he would be an ambassador for a fake private travel service. Terry indicated he may do the work but Bruce butted in, saying: "Because of obviously John being England captain, you gotta be careful who you deal with.

"If you got people out there with money to burn, I can definitely help with that. I'm that kind of guy, John, you know what I mean?" Bruce and Terry then laughed together.

After lunch, Terry gave us a 20-minute tour of the luxury facilities. He bragged: "It's good to see behind the scenes." He took us to an area where team-mates, including goalie Petr Cech, were playing table tennis and then past the Jacuzzi where Ballack and Drogba were half-naked in their underpants. Then Terry sought to impress his high-rolling guests by going into a massage room where a sparsely-clad Joe Cole was receiving treatment.

In the boot room we saw young apprentices cleaning the star players' boots.

Terry then gave us three Chelsea team shirts and signed each one. Joking about the money we were paying, Bruce quipped: "You putting your account details on there, aren't you, John?" The player just laughed.

As we left Bruce offered more visits to Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal and Tottenham, naming two high-profile figures who could help lay them on.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/647166/TERRYS-ALL-SOLD-John-Terry-in-secret-cash-scandal.html
 

Forum Phoenix

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United lose me a 600 dollar multi. SHould have been in the bag.
Pick scousers to go down and then my own reds screw me after Mariners blew my other multis.
24 hrs later and I'm still pissed.
 

FFC Mariner

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Michael Calvin----- the Mirror, brilliant quote


"Once again the tranquility, the nature of the executioner belied the nature of the threat---------Losing at Fulham is a little like being mugged at an art gallery, its so civilised you don't notice the blood on the carpet."
 

serious14

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FFC Mariner said:
Michael Calvin----- the Mirror, brilliant quote


"Once again the tranquility, the nature of the executioner belied the nature of the threat---------Losing at Fulham is a little like being mugged at an art gallery, its so civilised you don't notice the blood on the carpet."

Too true - many a United fan name Fulham away as one of their favourite trips of the season (Wigan being the other).
 

marinermick

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FFC Mariner said:
Michael Calvin----- the Mirror, brilliant quote


"Once again the tranquility, the nature of the executioner belied the nature of the threat---------Losing at Fulham is a little like being mugged at an art gallery, its so civilised you don't notice the blood on the carpet."

I don't understand why there would be blood on the carpet when you are getting mugged (most always does not involve bloodshed) and that most galleries do not have carpet.
 

serious14

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Interesting read..... North >>>>> South.  :popcorn:  ;)


http://football365.com/john_nicholson/0,17033,8746_5791649,00.html

Manchester City's owners know nothing about British football. If they did, they wouldn't have sacked Mark Hughes and appointed an Italian because in this country if you want your club to be successful, you get in a northerner or a Celt as a manager.

British football management is dominated by Celts (Scots, Welsh and Irish) and northerners. Contrary to popular belief, you don't win much with a foreign coach either. In the history of the British leagues, only two overseas coaches have won a league title, only three have won a European trophy.

In appointing Roberto Mancini they have chosen to avoid appointing a southern-born English manager. In doing this they are following a long-established trend.

The history books tell us the pedigree bosses going back many decades are almost all northern and Celts.

Given that the bottom half of Britain - I'm drawing the line under Nottingham - is where the vast majority of people are born, this is an extraordinary fact.

Currently, Celts and northerners outnumber southern-born managers by three to one. Only around 20% of Premier and Football League managers were born in the south. And to boost that figure, I'm including not-really-southern-at-all people like Sam Allardyce, born in Dudley.

In Scotland, of the 42 league clubs, 38 are managed by Scots, one by a Teessider, one by a Hungarian, leaving Terry Butcher as the south's only representative.

This isn't a modern development.

Look at many clubs' legendary managers.

Arsenal - George Graham, a Scot; Herbert Chapman, Yorkshireman; Bertie Mee - born in Nottinghamshire.

Spurs - Bill Nicholson, a Scarborough lad and Keith Birkenshaw, a Barnsley boy.

Liverpool - Shankly and Dalglish, both Scots, Paisley, a Geordie and Fagan, a Scouser.

Manchester City - Cheshire-born Joe Mercer.

Manchester United - Busby and Ferguson both Scottish to their core.

Chelsea is an exception - Dave Sexton was, before Jose Mourinho, their finest manager and he's straight outta Islington. However, their manager with the best win % since the war is Bobby Campbell - a Liverpool man.

No British club has won a European trophy without a North Country boy, a Scot or a foreigner at the helm, except Chelsea's Cup-Winners' Cup under Sexton. And of those 29 European victories, only three have been won by overseas managers (Gerard Houllier, Rafa Benitez and the lovely Luca Vialli), the rest by the northern mafia.

European Cup and Cup-Winners' Cup champions, Jock Stein's Celtic and Rangers' Willie Waddell were both south Lanarkshire mining village men. Middlesbrough-born Brian Clough won two European Cups with Forest. Shankly and Busby, two more south of Scotland sons of mining stock, won a UEFA and European Cup.

Bobby Robson won the UEFA Cup with Ipswich, as did Villa with Birkenhead-born Ron Saunders.

Spurs' UEFA Cup successes were under Nicholson and Birkenshaw, United under Ferguson, Arsenal's under Graham, Liverpool's under the boot room dynasty.

West Ham won the Cup-Winners' Cup under Ron Greenwood, who was born near Burnley.

Leeds' all-conquering side of the 60s and 70s that won two Fairs Cup, the predecessor to the UEFA cup, were bossed by Middlesbrough son Don Revie.

Everton's European success came under County Durham-born fella Howard Kendall. All British European Cup an Champions League winning sides were managed by northern Britishers with the honourable exception of Benitez in 2005.

But even at home this extraordinary north-country dominance continues.

Not a single British manager has won the top-flight division who wasn't a Scot or a Northerner since Alf Ramsey won the 1961-62 title with Ipswich. That's nearly 50 years of northern dominance! Only the stellar talents of Mourinho and Arsene Wenger have penetrated the northern hegemony.

But it doesn't stop there. In the last five seasons, the top two in the Championship have all been managed by northerners and Celts, and four out of five of the play-off winners were managed by northerners and Scots - Alan Pardew being the southern exception.

Currently the team top of every division down to the Blue Square Conference North is managed by a northerner - Chris Hughton is the only exception at Newcastle and he only got the job by default.

So we've got to ask the question, what's wrong with southerners? Why doesn't anyone want a southern manager? This is all too one-sided to be a mere coincidence. Alf Ramsey won the World Cup, after all, and Hughton - not normally mentioned in the same breath as Alf - is proving a tiny, squeaky Stratford boy can do really well even in a northern heartland.

Surely there isn't something innately worse about southern men that makes them unable to lead a side to victory is there?

Do southern accents and expressions not stir the blood like a northern or Scottish voice?

It's certainly the case that most of us would find the oratory of Bill Shankly more inspiring than the thin, nasal cockney whine of Dennis Wise. But is it as simple as accent?

The peoples of the north of this island have always had to move south to get work. The south is where the money has always been. Maybe the managerial culture reflects this. Northerners will come south to manage but southerners are less flexible and less willing to travel to get work; less willing to leave their home area. Perhaps there are just more northerners applying for managers' jobs.

Harry Redknapp is the most successful southerner in work today as a manager with four trophies in 27 years of graft to his name. Interestingly, Croydon-born Roy Hodgson has been successful abroad but not yet in the UK, though Fulham are doing so well. But again, he is proof that a southerner can be damn good.

The further you dig, the more it starts to look like football is institutionally biased against employing southern-born managers. I'd love to know how many apply and how many are successful. Do chairmen wince as soon as they hear a southern twang?

But it doesn't stop there. There are a huge, perhaps disproportionate, amount of northerners and Celts on our TV and radio.

Charlie Nicholas, Alan Hansen, Andy Gray, Craig Burley, Gary McAllister, Alan McInally, Joe Royle, Jon Murray, Alan Green, Conor McNamara, Roddy Forsyth, Dave Woods, Kevin Gallagher, The Waddler, Gary Pallister, Ray Stubbs, Kevin Keegan, Alan Shearer, Phil Thompson, Lee Dixon, Mark Bright, Mark Lawrenson, Jimmy Armfield, Graham Taylor, Pat Nevin, Colin Murray, Ian Brown, Ian Dennis, Stuart Hall, Gabby Logan, Mike Ingham, Jeff Stelling and you begin to see the northern/Celtic mafia has truly invaded the media too.

There have been many inspirational southern captains from Bobby Moore, to Tony Adams and John Terry. But that's where it ends. Odd isn't it?

Presumably chairmen and owners know their football history and thus instinctively favour someone who knows their mushy peas from their guacamole. Perhaps that explains why the likes of perennial lower-league club-hoppers Danny Wilson, Mickey Adams, Paul Jewell, Brian Laws, Aidy Boothroyd, Chris Turner and Paul Sturrock are rarely out of work for any longer than they want to be.

Having a Celt or a northerner in charge guarantees nothing and there have been plenty of rotten northern managers, but clearly, to many chairmen it seems to make some sort of success more likely and the more that belief entrenches, the more it will become self-perpetuating.

It doesn't look likely to change soon. Look at the men regarded as the best up-and-coming managers. Owen Coyle, Billy Davies, Darren Ferguson, Simon Grayson, Nigel Pearson, Phil Parkinson, Paul Lambert and even mad Lee Clark (who'd have thought he'd make a good manager?) at Huddersfield. It's a new Celtic-northern wave.

Does this apply in any other walk of life? Are there more successful northern managers of businesses and corporations? Or is there something special about northern and Celtic football men? Football's employers certainly seem to think so - except those based in the Middle East it would seem.

Well I'll go t'foot of our stairs
 

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