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That's a bit racialist?

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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Racism is defined by who has the power which is why in this country you can't racially vilify a white person.
No, it isn't.

I'm aware there are some individuals and organisations who are working very, very hard to redefine the definition of racism to try and create a position how nothing against the demographic that typically holds power can be racism, but it's absolute nonsense.

There is racism at an individual level, there is racism at an institutional level.

Some people are working very hard to redefine racism to pretend it's only referencing institutionalised power imbalances.

I think the 'genocide' claim is contested along with the myth of the so called 'stolen generations'
Blackbirding Melanisians was a fact. Massacres occurred, genocide no.
Looks like Sam hasn't been heeding Fifa's "No to racism".

Though this is even more nonsense. What the f**k am I even reading on here? Absolute dishonest garbage.

It's only "contested" by right-wing shock jocks and people who listen to them. Plenty of people alive today who experienced the stolen generations.

And given how much policy was in place designed to eliminate culture, I can't believe there is any claim that there has never been any genocide.
 

Hello Sailor

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Though this is even more nonsense. What the f**k am I even reading on here? Absolute dishonest garbage.

It's only "contested" by right-wing shock jocks and people who listen to them. Plenty of people alive today who experienced the stolen generations.

And given how much policy was in place designed to eliminate culture, I can't believe there is any claim that there has never been any genocide.
Sigh, are you really comparing the shabby treatment of aboriginals with the Nazi's treatment of the Jews? Your assertions diminish the experience of those who truly suffered genocide in the Holocaust . It is offensive.
The allegation of genocide IS contested by some historians, not all, and your name calling anyone who questions this claim is just puerile.
The allegation of 'genocide' relating to aborigines appeared after the so-called 'Stolen Generations' got publicity. Removing children wasn't race-based. White children were also removed from homes when they were deemed to be at risk. Do you think that Gunnah should be denied an education and you would have left eight year old Cubillo to starve in a camp next to her dead relatives? Yes?


So now you are equating a decline in aboriginal culture with the death camps? Give me a break.


Try finding a Court case where compensation was awarded when children were removed just for being aboriginal and I might bother to read your posts.

Oh, and academics have debunked the Dark Emu myth too. https://www.smh.com.au/national/deb...-phenomenon-get-it-wrong-20210507-p57pyl.html
 
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true believer

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I am well aware of what a straw man is. The small pox blanket argument was proposed by one of your defenders when you failed to elaborate. I doubt that your defenders would consider their supporting arguments as straw men.
I have previously agreed that this belongs on the politics thread, and you should think twice before posting political material in a non political thread; after all your false claim of 'genocide and slavery' initiated this tangent. Since you cant justify your claims then I wont waste any more of my time on you.
so you're still asking me to defend someone else's post .
and then expand on it .

but firstly lets define what you're thumping the tub over .

(1) genocide : the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

this of course is precisely what happened .

(2) slavery : where australia never had the cotton fields of fedrick douglas .
our own opposition leader's grand father was a well known gin jockey and slave boss.
on his cattle properties employing the biggest boy to keep and /or dispose of trouble makers .
similarly to "house negro's" as depicted by malcom x and in movie form as "django unchained"

australian house negro
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Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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Sigh, are you really comparing the shabby treatment of aboriginals with the Nazi's treatment of the Jews?\
No, you're the only person who is repeatedly doing that, but only so you can them fabricate an attack on others.

This is one of the most egregious straw men I've ever come across.

Try finding a Court case where compensation was awarded when children were removed just for being aboriginal and I might bother to read your posts.


There you go.

Not to mention, redress schemes by a number of governments
Not sure why you've chosen to specifically ask for court cases only, but whatever

Courts are hardly the only source of truth

 

Wombat

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i see so how would you describe the role reversal ?
of course as for a "historical maligned culture" ,our resent referendum enshrined racism in our constitution.
sam should be more tolerant because she's been called boong , spook, nigger, darkie all her life .
She is Indian/British. British Indian's on the whole are quite a racist group from my experience.
 

Hello Sailor

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No, you're the only person who is repeatedly doing that, but only so you can them fabricate an attack on others.

This is one of the most egregious straw men I've ever come across.




There you go.

Not to mention, redress schemes by a number of governments
Not sure why you've chosen to specifically ask for court cases only, but whatever

Courts are hardly the only source of truth

Not a straw man at all. The term was coined to describe the total industrial scale government driven murder of an entire people by the Nazis. This is what most people thought of as genocide before the "Bringing them Home Report suggested otherwise. Its this report that attempted to compare the Holocaust with the treatment of aborigines with its allegation of genocide.

The United Nations Convention on Genocide, Article 2, defines
acts of genocide as those “committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such”. There was no such intent-removal of children were invariably for the sake of the child and applied to white children too.
Removal of at-risk aboriginal children was because they been orphaned, abandoned, destitute, neglected or subject to various forms of domestic violence, sexual exploitation and sexual abuse.

The fact that those removed constituted only a small fraction of the aboriginal population also challenges the 'genocide' claim.

The Bringing Them Home report describes the worst period for forced removals was from 1910 to 1970.
In this same period the aboriginal population of Australia GREW by 68%. Not a very effective genocide was it?

It is not just 'shock jocks and the people who listen to them' who contest the allegation of genocide.
Anthropologists like Ron Brunton and Kenneth Maddock, historian Keith Windschuttle, journalists like Paul Sheehan [SMH] and two ex Ministers of Aboriginal Affairs [Howson and Herron] have also criticised the case for genocide for the so-called 'Stolen Generations'.

You didn't say whether you would have denied Gunner an education, nor whether you would leave an abandoned hungry Cubillo in a camp with her dead relatives. I suppose that would be too awkward to do since pesky details like these childrens' futures dont fit the narrative.

Yes governments have paid off some applicants and at a lower standard of proof required than in a Court- just look how quickly Brittney Higgins was paid off before any guilt was established by a Court so that the government could avoid any negative publicity. Since you raised redress schemes, how many truly stolen children did Labor appointed Stolen Generations Taskforce in Victoria find just for being aboriginal? Have a wild guess; that's right, NONE, and it found that the state had 'no formal policy of removing children.'

Yes, I am aware of this class action being mounted but it has yet to win the case.

Courts weigh evidence in search of the truth and the evidence is usually of a high standard to withstand scrutiny.
In over twenty five years only one court has granted compensation for being 'stolen'.
The one successful compensation case in 2007 in SA-a bloke named Bruce Trevorrow and while he was removed because it was believed that he was neglected, this account was disputed by the local police which helped his case. Did the initial removal show an intent to destroy a group as defined by the UN Convention? Apparently not, it was because it was thought he was neglected and was taken to hospital.

Thank you for the link, very interesting and if you had read it you would have realised that the Trevorrow case was mentioned.

In its conclusion [your source remember] it agrees that the genocide claim is contested.
"Though the debate about genocide continues,[152] courts have accepted the beneficial intent of law makers and administrators, albeit misguided when judged by current standards".
AND that the intent was beneficial, not one aimed at destroying a people as per the UN definition.
 
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true believer

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She is Indian/British. British Indian's on the whole are quite a racist group from my experience.
umm i wonder why ? at least the irish got a break

personally i've found indian sikhs the kindest people i've come across

How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years​

Between 1880 to 1920, British colonial policies in India claimed more lives than all famines in the Soviet Union, Maoist China and North Korea combined.
 

Wombat

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umm i wonder why ? at least the irish got a break

personally i've found indian sikhs the kindest people i've come across

How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years​

Between 1880 to 1920, British colonial policies in India claimed more lives than all famines in the Soviet Union, Maoist China and North Korea combined.
Sikhs are without doubt the best and kindest Indian's you will encounter.

Your other gibberish i wont bother to respond to.
 

true believer

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Sikhs are without doubt the best and kindest Indian's you will encounter.

Your other gibberish i wont bother to respond to.
what gibberish ? if you open the door and british india is looking back at you .
then you have a reason to complain .
 

voice of reason

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As a former cop in the UK, I would say to the officer, suck it up!
As a former taxi driver, I would say to Sam Kerr, how dare you hassle and ruin the night of a worker who is no doubt struggling to actually make a living. I would be lucky to make $10 per hour for myself...
 

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