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Mariner Girl said:
Pim's comments about the A-League were made prior to that performance!!!!!
So why were you expecting us to win!!! They did nothing to dispell Pim's comments because his comments were acurate!!
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Socceroos vs Kuwait in Canberra
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Pim's comments about the A-League were made prior to that performance!!!!!
So why were you expecting us to win!!! They did nothing to dispell Pim's comments because his comments were acurate!!
Mariner Girl
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I agree with you. He is totally correct with his comments and I know he made them before the match.
What I meant was this. If I was an A-League player picked for the Socceroos and went into that match with his comments about the A-League ringing in my ears, I would try and play my arse off to try and shove his comments down his throat.
Maybe my wording came out wrong - sorry!
What I meant was this. If I was an A-League player picked for the Socceroos and went into that match with his comments about the A-League ringing in my ears, I would try and play my arse off to try and shove his comments down his throat.
Maybe my wording came out wrong - sorry!
David Votoupal
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If ever there was proof that a coaching revolution is needed in the A-League, this would be it.
The way our league is set up doesn't encourage betterment in any meaningful way. It encourages mediocrity and this shows when they are up against the rest of the world.
I'd rather watch teams like Swansea, Peterborough, Oldham, Exeter and Bury who actually play good football this season and certainly better than any A-League side is playing right now.
The way our league is set up doesn't encourage betterment in any meaningful way. It encourages mediocrity and this shows when they are up against the rest of the world.
I'd rather watch teams like Swansea, Peterborough, Oldham, Exeter and Bury who actually play good football this season and certainly better than any A-League side is playing right now.
dibo said:
Your whole arguement was based on selections. All I have said is that Lawrie's selections in the past have been questionable also, thus comparable!
Just once it would be nice to read a post from you that wasn't completely brown nosing the gaffer or the club! Especially in recent times as there have been nothing to be excited about from the club. Its so frustating to read! And every post seems to be "well look at the bright side, we are not newcastle" or some crap like that!
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Mariner Girl said:
No need to be sorry!!
Maybe what he said backfired!! A-League players are technically not as good as those from any number of professional leagues throughout the world. And when players are under pressure or fatigued one of the first thing that is exposed is poor technique.
They were under pressure! More so than usual!!
And the Kuwaiti's away from home with their superior technical ability and less presure were able to expose our deficiencies easily.
David Votoupal said:
Disagree. I do not think the way a hastly thrown together squad with little time together plays is a valid reflection of the a-leagues quality. I would like to see the level of coaching in the a-league increase, but think that it is a long bow to suggest that last game is definative proof. The fact is we could and should have won last night, even with the poor build up. We have the players needed to beat this level of asian opponent, but they need more time together.
Pim should have tried to get as many players in camp as soon as possible, and held a trial, say vs newcastle, who would certainly of accepted, to get the players more used to each other.
The other option, for games when going with no lead in, with players who havent played together is to instead just select melbourne victory. Fill in the foreigner holes, maybe put soem other lads on the bench, but start with a team who have played together and are used to each other.
If you dont have time to build a cohesive team, why not import it straight from the a-league?
dibo
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Jesus said:
actually the goal itself should have been disallowed. while mullen was well beaten, there was a player clearly offside, and while he didn't touch the ball himself, he was clearly influencing the movement of both the defenders in the area and the keeper. when robbie says 'galekovic can't come for that' - he says it's because it's too flat but he's also trying to keep half an eye on the offside man. that's offside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfBO3TnQfpQ
nevertheless, we should have been pumped 4-0, so i'm not going to whinge too hard about that.
Razorback said:
I talked about selections, but I disagree that my 'whole arguement' (sic) was based on selections. I also talked about the fact that Lawrie's got a very limited list to draw from, Pim doesn't. It's the national team FFS - Pim can call players in from anywhere, Lawrie can't. If Pim wanted bloody Tim Cahill playing, he could have made it happen.
Frankly I'm getting sick of people who don't get that we (the Mariners and the A-League as a whole) don't have unlimited money and players at our disposal and somehow expect that we're going to be able to seamlessly cover the loss of our best player.
The reality check is this - the A-League operates on a very limited budget and from a very limited pool of players. For all the talk of coaching revolutions and other assorted things there is a simple fact that cannot be avoided - we (at the league level, and certainly at our club) can't compete for the level of players and coaches that people seem to want.
Only one club made a profit this year. That's after four years. AFAIK there have been four profit results issued in the entire history of the league (three to Melobourne, one to us). That's 28 loss results. There's not enough money going in at the moment from sponsorship, gates and whatever else to move balance sheets forward at present.
The youth league is up, and this will deliver players over time. Youth development programs are being run with a bit more professionalism by State federations, and this will deliver players over time.
But to get better players in the A-League immediately needs more money, pure and simple. Jonas Salley is an ordinary player in the A-League but he's off to China for more money than we'd be paying anybody. That's the reality of it. Without a higher cap, we're losing quality. Welcome to the free market. There has to be an injection of hard cash before we can do things like bump up the cap.
It's not exciting, it's not inspiring, but that's football. This is what's under the glitter and shine. You can all wring your hands and have a whinge, but there are simple reasons why the league as a whole (and our club in particular) loses players and can't replace them with stars. No amount of whinging about the gaffer will change anything.
David Votoupal
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Our league suffers from a lack of creativity and imagination, something provided by imports like Hernandez and Miller. Back in the day we had Crino, Halpin, Mendez and Carle (et al) for that.
It alarms me that our league is not only behind Europe's lower divisions, but even many Asian and African countries in terms of coaching and technical development- and some of those countries have far less money than we do, and yet have been exposed to foreign coaching influences for DECADES.
It alarms me that our league is not only behind Europe's lower divisions, but even many Asian and African countries in terms of coaching and technical development- and some of those countries have far less money than we do, and yet have been exposed to foreign coaching influences for DECADES.
dibo
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David Votoupal said:
remember that the post NSL (and even end of NSL) hangover is still with us. players like kwas came through just at the period where he needed regular first team matches, and he needed enough matches. unfortunately, the NSL fell apart and there was a 15 month (or thereabouts) gap. he's now in his prime, but he and a generation of players at his age are still showing the effects. but then look at some of the players in the NYL - there's some quality there and only some of that will make the A-League.
let our development programs actually bring some players through the new system, and then judge. it's going to take time. you can't just wave a foreign coach over the player for five minutes and make them a better player.
on asian and african nations having less money - that's a pretty debatable point. our league has enormous travel, administration and marketing costs compared to what many of 'developing' football nations would. we're running a league across an entire continent in competition with three other codes of football in a first world economy. we've got problems that some asian and african competitions wouldn't even dream of.
serious14
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Arnold out.
Solves a lot of problems right there - he is the one common thread in every single shit performance of the last 3 years or so. He ruined a generation of quite good players with the Olyroos debacle, and lest I mention the Asian Cup......
"Hey Pim, Graham here, the guy on the touchline?? Yes yes, I still have a job with you. Listen, we're a goal down with ten minutes to go, the long balls havn't been working, I suggest we put on a defender, then stick him up front...... what do you mean that's crazy?? I did it at the Olympics with the Hyphenator in the exact same situation and it worked a treat".
Solves a lot of problems right there - he is the one common thread in every single shit performance of the last 3 years or so. He ruined a generation of quite good players with the Olyroos debacle, and lest I mention the Asian Cup......
"Hey Pim, Graham here, the guy on the touchline?? Yes yes, I still have a job with you. Listen, we're a goal down with ten minutes to go, the long balls havn't been working, I suggest we put on a defender, then stick him up front...... what do you mean that's crazy?? I did it at the Olympics with the Hyphenator in the exact same situation and it worked a treat".
David Votoupal
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hasbeen said:
Many other countries have a lot of players abroad, yet still have domestic leagues with good quality players ready for international duty. That is no excuse.
dibo: I can find many examples of how coaches made rapid improvements in national teams and a nation's entire football structures.
dibo
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David Votoupal said:
you haven't noticed we've got foreign coaches running the national team and both designing and implementing much of the junior development system? there's been a helluva lot of new faces and serious reform (and rancour) in this area in the last 5 years or so but it takes time. don't forget that where a player's development at an early age is deficient there's a limit to what you can achieve. you can't expect that we could hire bora milutinovic (or whoever) and the side will suddenly be like nigeria in 1998.
not many other countries have both a drain of players overseas and to other codes. our talent pool is limited on two fronts. how do you judge 'ready for international duty' anyway. i think by selecting different players a different result last night could have been achieved.
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