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Merged Thread - Danny Vukovic Red Card (outcome page 42)

SNOWMARINER

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fish said:
if its a local ban IMO Danny will go and never be back

I sadly think you are right there. I don't understand the appeal process but if there is any chance of a reduction then I hope he gives it a go. Based on previous decisions both here and abroad surely an appeal could result in a reduction.

The FFA just love to f**k us don't they? All because their useless and obviously totally f**king blind  so called top referee could'nt see something so obvious you would have to have your eyes closed not to see and realise that the outstreched hand away from the body could only mean it was a handball.
 

marinerbhoy

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promdi442 said:
Fox Sports has announced that Sasho could be sanctioned for making a gesture toward an official.

But more disturbing is that FFA will ask the CCM why they should not be SANCTIONED FOR TEAM MISCONDUCT.

first post on the new forum.

i dont see how the mariners can not be charged with team misconduct. tears were forming in my eyes ever since the goal but i held back as much as i could. but nothing could prepare for the actions on the players. what happened to the club that i fell in love with? they acted like a pathetic bunch of children. yes i know shields shafted us. he has shafted many teams. but where was the teams moral obligation to the game of football when the match descended into a farce late on. i know the pressure was on, and that they wanted it bad, but they are still representing the club, the region and their fans. aloisi needs to grow up. he should focus more on his declining performances instead of the referee. getting sick of his antics. the entire team should learn that these things happen in football. the result wounded me, but the action of the players destroyed me. i just hope they plead guilty to team misconduct, formally apologise and leanr from this dreaful moment in the clubs history and pay the price without a fuss. i want them to learn that you can not control the ref. when the players finally erupted into the brawl at the end i couldnt hold it back anymore. i just sat there afterwards thinking if there was still a 'no dickhead' policy at the club? i hope sometime during the offseason that learn a little bit more sportsmanship and maturity, so they can handle situations like sunday again. because it will happen again. they are a great bunch of guys, now i just hope i dont see that 10mins of madness ever again
 

A.J.V

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Here is a video of danny's and joel griffiths's incidents together :headbutt:


http://www.youtube.com/v/9nXUumQK0T8&rel=1
 

fishmum

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i want them to learn that you can not control the ref. when the players finally erupted into the brawl at the end i couldnt hold it back anymore. i just sat there afterwards thinking if there was still a 'no dickhead' policy at the club? i hope sometime during the offseason that learn a little bit more sportsmanship and maturity, so they can handle situations like sunday again. because it will happen again. they are a great bunch of guys, now i just hope i dont see that 10mins of madness ever again

Well maybe if the referee's were consistant they would have more respect.... and not get players so frustrated...
fair is fair.... and the referee's definately have not treated or given the mariners any respect...
strange how newcastle players can do as they damn well please?...
marinerboy.... how can you expect the team to react when they are being shafted for playing and doing the right thing...
they just keep getting crucified....
in fact I am going to make a poster to put in my front window... of Danny on a cross being crucified...
with the title... WHY CRUCIFY DANNY FOR SHIELDS STEALING AND CHEATING...

because that is exactly what he did... he stole what was rightfully ours... a chance at a penalty shot..
and cheated...
 

marconigirl

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Wow, 13 pages in 24 hours... impressive...

I agree Danny needs support right now... It would be hard for any player, but to be 23 and only at the beginning of your career, this could end up ruining it for him...

Are the FFA and FIFA trying to get rid of us, because we are becoming/will become more successful then the bigger more profitable teams??? Because that's what this S**T (pardon my French) seems to me...
 

marinerbhoy

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no i am sorry but you are wrong. there is no excuse for the actions of the team. it was the wrong decision. no one is doubting that. the ref's are not consisent, they are terrible, but why does that allow the players to behave in such a childish manner? he didn't steal anything, he just made the wrong decision. and guess what, that happens in football.
i expect them to act in a sportsman like manner. that means controlling your emotions when everything is going against you.

if the entire day was reversed, and it was the mariners who were victors, and it was the jets players who acted as such, i am sure you would see things differently
 

midfielder

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Danny got 15 months F****me

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23274565-23215,00.html

Vukovic banned for 15 months

February 25, 2008 CENTRAL Coast goalkeeper Danny Vukovic is set to miss more than two-thirds of the next A-League season after being found guilty of violent conduct for striking referee Mark Shield in Sunday night's grand final.

The Mariners striker was slapped with a 15-month ban, with six months of it suspended on a probationary basis and only activated if he re-offends within a year of returning.

It means he will miss at least nine months and not be able to play in the A-League until November 24.

That is likely to translate to around 14-15 league games, depending on the 2008-2009 A-League draw, which is yet to be made.

The Australia under-23 first-team regular could also lose the chance to represent his country at this year's Olympics, with the FFA "considering extending the sanction beyond the A-League to national team duty".

He has seven days to appeal the decision.

Vukovic was shown a red card in last night's 1-0 loss to Newcastle after lashing out at Shield when a late penalty appeal was turned down for what looked a clear hand ball by Jets midfielder James Holland.

He appeared to hit Shield in the arm as a group of players surrounded the referee.

Under FFA regulations, Vukovic faced a potential life ban for the incident, but was dealt the sentence after a day-long meeting by the A-League's Match Review Panel finally drew to a close.

The panel also cited Mariners striker Sasho Petrovski for making an abusive gesture against a match official, while the FFA will write to the Central Coast asking them to show cause why the club itself should not be sanctioned for team misconduct.

Petrovski's case will be refereed to a disciplinary committee for hearing.

Executive chairman Lyall Gorman said the club would "take whatever action is necessary to look after our player".

Gorman said Vukovic apologised to Shield straight after the match and said the player was unsure if he had made contact with the referee due to the emotion of the incident.

"Danny spoke to Mark after the game," Gorman said.

"He was full of emotion as you can imagine, he wasn't clear if there was any contact with the referee he apologised to Mark if from his end there was.

"Danny was certainly emotionally involved as everyone was, it's a grand final."

The custodian would not comment on the incident, at the request of his club.

Socceroos coach Pim Verbeek said today Vukovic's actions were "stupid" but backed the `keeper to learn from his mistake.

"I think that's one of the things players have to learn. It's stupid, there's no doubt about that. We can be honest about that. He should have never done that," Verbeek said.

"He should have never done it of course, but hopefully he will learn from it and hopefully every player can learn from it because you can not accept things like that as a professional football player."

Meanwhile, FFA chief executive Ben Buckley hailed the decision to stage the competition decider at the SFS a success, after deciding neither side's home grounds were fit to host a grand final.

A crowd of 36,354, the biggest of the A-League season, turned up even though a one-day international cricket match between Australia and India was simultaneously held next door at the SCG.

"It shows that there are many supporters of the game who see the grand final the same way that we do - that is, as a special occasion on the A-League calendar," Buckley said.

"Our view is that such an occasion deserves a stadium which allows as many people as possible to come along and enjoy the game, regardless of whether they are a supporter of one of the two teams or just a 'neutral' football fan.

"It also shows the extent of interest in the A-League, and its growing popularity."

The Mariners are set to announce a partnership with English championship club Sheffield United, home of Australia winger David Carney.
 

marconigirl

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soccersensei said:
Danny's actions were stupid, though it is my belief not in the light of the full context should they be seen as surprising, or even condemned as so.

Shield's had lost control of the game, sorry scratch that - Shields never had control of the game. When players grab other players by the neck (Ante Covic) or violently shove and grab at each other (virtually everyone else) as had happened throughout the game and especially in the proceeding minutes to the incident. No one should be even remotely surprised that a young sportsman's unthinking emotional reaction in such a high pressure/high stakes situation, is to slap out at an offending hand. Wrong yes, no one is arguing this point, the debate is regarding the severity of the punishment. AND IN THIS CASE IT DOES NOT FIT THE CRIME. When a crime is committed circumstances surounding the incident or inciting it do come into consideration on the severity of the punishment. Yet despite the fact that precedents abound and that Mark Shields incompetency was the key factor in this situation arising, it seems to have had no degree of baring. The referee was in no way physically endangered at any point,  nor could it be argued that Danny intended to place him in physical danger. Danny lashed out with an open hand at probably the safest area he could have possibly have slapped at apart from slapping at Mark Shields foot. This slap at a hand, is actually indicative of someone restraining themselves, not quite enough admitted to mitigate any form of redress or punishment, BUT IT SHOULD CERTAINLY BARE CONSIDERABLY ON SUCH TERMS AND CHARGES AS "VIOLENT CONDUCT"

The great truth, is that this incident would not have happened if Mark Shields was a competent referee who had not made yet another major blunder, at the most crucial of times, in the most crucial of games... AFTER HE HAD ALREADY LOST CONTROL OF THE GAME! The environment Mark Shields allowed to exist directly resulted in this incident. Mark Shields was irresponsible and negligent,  and has no where near as much excuse as - a young footballer - in a grand final - after a terribly wrong decision that has massive ramifications, in fact, there can literally be no more extreme circumstance you could place a player in, unless it were to be at a world cup final instead of your national league. Shields has no such excuse in his defense, he is not young, he is not inexperienced, and he has nothing personally at stake.He is supposed to be our best ie; the MOST EXPERIENCED. However what he was, was negligent and dangerously incompetent.

When your children are starting to nip at each other, do you wait till one hits the other nip in in the bud? If you do wait, how much responsibility do you bare when the child strikes the other?  If your child is obese due to no other reason than over eating, who bares the responsibility, the parent or the child? In a sporting match, a referee is their to execute the rules of the game yes, but he also has a duty of care towards those he is officiating over, and when a referee neglects this duty and allows an environment highly likely to cause a player to do something "dumb" then he has failed to meet the needs of the occasion and to protect the players from the pressures and human instincts incumbent in such situations.

Shield's incompetence enabled this incident, if it was not Danny, it could so easily have been any player from either side in those final minutes who could have done something stupid. Shields failed to protect the players from the emotions of the match and the volatility of the circumstance, and as if Australian football hasn't had to suffer enough at his hands, he now engineers yet another painful loss to Australian football.
Shame on you Mark Shields, your is the greater crime, that has a consequence far beyond a tingling palm.
:redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard:

As to comparations with he Griffiths incident, please! They do not even remotely compare, there was no pressure, no high stakes, no grand refereeing mistake, and NO PRECEEDING EMOTIONALLY VOLATILE ATMOSPHERE, not even the same degree of youth can be dragged forward in its defense, and he struck out a a groin, not the palm of a hand.

We have a large problem in Australian football, and it is not the emotional discipline of our young players or the "style of football" we play. AND WE ALL KNOPW WHAT IT TRULY IS!

:soapbox: over

I agree completely with you Soccersensei...
Shields had no control over the game at all, and I think this is one example that they need to rethink their "TOP" referees...

With the Griffiths thing, I think his was worse, because there was really no excuse to hit out at the linesman especially where he did. he was just having a Pi**y day and decided to take it out on the linesman... If anything he should have got the worse ban... Everyones emotions were up on Sunday and I think Danny controlled himself very well... If he didn't I am sure it would have been more then a slap on the hand...
 

fishmum

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Marineboy.... you should be telling the newcastle players this...

but why does that allow the players to behave in such a childish manner?

Why did they walk past the Mariners supporters doing rude hand gestures? and saying get that up ya's etc etc....???

Danny pushing a hand is not showing bad sportsmanship.... what the newcastle players did was...
 

skilbeck

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exactly marconigirl this has pissed me off more than the loss yesterday. it seems danny gets sent off in december for no good reason in an attempt to derail our premiership, this act fails and we win the premiership and make it to the finals. Breeze and his henchmen try to derail us again in the major semi 1st leg by disallowing a goal. this fails next game as we claw back to win on aggregate. then comes the grand final. our one chance to stay in the game is killed when shields denies a penalty from an obvious hand ball. the game ends with a scum win and to add insult to injury the FFA decide to give vukovic a dissproportionate ban and start sending the gestapo against sasho and other players in order to derail our preparations for next year. thats the sad story.
 

Omni

Well-Known Member
That's what I presume too but they haven't clarified that, every other time it's been another card.
 

fishmum

Well-Known Member
heck its not like Danny did something like this?

then you can it was bad sportsmanship

http://www.youtube.com/v/XIUsCc_F_-s&rel=1



(edit: fixed youtube vid. you just need to paste in the url to the vid - adz)
 

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