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Mariners vs Vissel Kobe 26 Nov ACL Elite

Hello Sailor

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Comments about that not being their first 11 are all well and good but let’s not even try and pretend the aleague is on the same level as the J1. If Liverpool or City (well, maybe not so much city at the moment) put out a ‘second string’ side in a cup game against Salford or Grimsby, you’d still very much be backing the premier league side to win.
Still had 5 players from their last ACL starting 11 starting against us, and plenty of firepower off the bench.
I actually thought we'd get a 4-0 spanking
 

marinermick

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Comments about that not being their first 11 are all well and good but let’s not even try and pretend the aleague is on the same level as the J1. If Liverpool or City (well, maybe not so much city at the moment) put out a ‘second string’ side in a cup game against Salford or Grimsby, you’d still very much be backing the premier league side to win.
Still had 5 players from their last ACL starting 11 starting against us, and plenty of firepower off the bench.

But they are not Liverpool or City, they are J-League. Not one of that starting eleven started in their cup final win the week before.

They were very disjointed and beatable. Their second eleven was in no way superior to the eleven we put out.
 

Ozhammer

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Personally I will give the boys a pass for that performance last night, as they almost jagged a point in a tough fixture against a difficult opponent.

That said, I am getting more than a little fed up of us being plucky losers in this competition, when we have perhaps deserved more than that monicker in most games.
 

Hello Sailor

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But they are not Liverpool or City, they are J-League. Not one of that starting eleven started in their cup final win the week before.

They were very disjointed and beatable. Their second eleven was in no way superior to the eleven we put out.
Your loyalty is admirable but I think you need to rewatch[especially the first half] They pressed the shit out of us so we were stuck in our own half a lot of the time. Unlike them, we were passing the ball to the opposition. I'd hate to be playing this team regularly in the A league.
 

Big Al

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That doesn't open the door back for Pav surely? Feel like DPC has been great
Don’t think so and if it were i think it would be for Warshawsky.

DPC hasn’t done a lot wrong but his timing has been a touch slow.

He also hasn’t had a game where he has been peppered but he also hasn’t won us any points which your keeper needs to do occasionally.

I think we stick with him but there is a lot of learning to be done. Wasn’t even the academy No1 for half a season (was more a shared roll) and is now in the ACL elite.

I think we just need to be patient with him which is easier at his age than the Pav
 

Wombat

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Don’t think so and if it were i think it would be for Warshawsky.

DPC hasn’t done a lot wrong but his timing has been a touch slow.

He also hasn’t had a game where he has been peppered but he also hasn’t won us any points which your keeper needs to do occasionally.

I think we stick with him but there is a lot of learning to be done. Wasn’t even the academy No1 for half a season (was more a shared roll) and is now in the ACL elite.

I think we just need to be patient with him which is easier at his age than the Pav
Why did we let Pat Beach go again??
 

Michael

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more than fine with the result/score line. We lost a point from a blunder of our young keeper. I’m not upset with that. He will make some mistakes along the way (if you can’t accept that whilst supporting our club then I just don’t know, our young boys will always make mistakes along the way) but he’s already shown he’s good enough. Look at the positives, we gave the best J-League team a run for their money. Yeah we had some luck, so did they. We’re a lot more under strength than the team they put out.
I fully expected us to get completely and utterly spanked. Massive credit to the boys.
 

Coastalraider

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I’ve been increasingly concerned with Storms temper tantrums during matches recently - hadn’t been too worried initially as it’s a great sign that he is trying to hold accountability, but he’s been arm waving and yelling a hell of a lot recently, and last night there was a shot of him shaking his head dumbfounded at someone’s mistake.. now that’s exactly what I was doing on the couch as well, but I’m not sure it’s productive for one of the teams senior leaders to be doing that so consistently.

Don’t mind the passion, but it’s a fine line between being loud and productive and creating disharmony by continually blaming others for not being able to read your mind.
 

Big Al

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I’ve been increasingly concerned with Storms temper tantrums during matches recently - hadn’t been too worried initially as it’s a great sign that he is trying to hold accountability, but he’s been arm waving and yelling a hell of a lot recently, and last night there was a shot of him shaking his head dumbfounded at someone’s mistake.. now that’s exactly what I was doing on the couch as well, but I’m not sure it’s productive for one of the teams senior leaders to be doing that so consistently.

Don’t mind the passion, but it’s a fine line between being loud and productive and creating disharmony by continually blaming others for not being able to read your mind.
Team is a pretty quiet one. Needs someone to hold everyone accountable. I like it. We have to protect the standards.

As long as the other boys respect him it’s fine. No one was messing with Vuka even if he was wrong. Roux could loose that edge if his play slips but for now he has it
 
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Big Al

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Why did we let Pat Beach go again??
Was no sign of first team football at the time and city offered it, i presume

He has had some moments of oh shit for them too but he was excellent and will grow into another Aussie star keeper.

Definitely better than warshawsky and Pav and DPC will have to improve to catch him but has a few years to do that
 

Corsair

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Agree. If the goal is sellable youth I think they persist with DPC. He's younger, big reach and been on a decent roll. Whether there's interest in Jan or not if he performs he'll get a move.
I think he'd do well to stay and play rather than go sit on a bench somewhere.
 

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