Mariners Squad 2024/2025 ALM and ACL Elite

[Spacks]

Ex mariners going back to their former trainer is a bit different to a fully employed pro footballer having to get their own "extra" coaching though?

How many hours per week do you think a player is at the club and training?

 

[Stuartmcateer]

Ex mariners going back to their former trainer is a bit different to a fully employed pro footballer having to get their own "extra" coaching though?

These are full time pros in professional leagues overseas who go there when they are home (I go to the same physio)

Plenty of pros do it. They have personal trainers, dieticians, nutritionists, chefs, massage therapists and even do extra skills coaching. It's all about trying to get the maximum out of a short career.

 

[adz]

How many hours per week do you think a player is at the club and training?

I have no idea but would love to know. Seem to remember someone (plan a better?) in the shit years talking about how limited time they had with the players. Are they full time footballers?

 

[shipwreck]

I remember the interview with the guy who made the mountain bike documantery.

He said the actually time that they're at the club is frighteningly short, 3 hours a day max.

 

[Corsair]

Ex mariners going back to their former trainer is a bit different to a fully employed pro footballer having to get their own "extra" coaching though?

Shouldn't your employer in your desk job be providing all the training you require? Why spend time studying outside of work? To further your career, no different for a sportsman that wants to improve an aspect of his game. In Nizzy's case it's probably more about improving confidence in shooting, which he lacks.

 

[Ozhammer]

Spoke to one of the coaching staff yesterday and he mentioned that Nathan Paull routinely spends time after training seeking input from them on how to improve his game.

That was good to hear and probably goes some way to explaining his steady improvement over the last season.

 

[Big Al]

Shouldn't your employer in your desk job be providing all the training you require? Why spend time studying outside of work? To further your career, no different for a sportsman that wants to improve an aspect of his game. In Nizzy's case it's probably more about improving confidence in shooting, which he lacks.

You need both. Work training and your own if you want to learn more

 

[adz]

I had no idea that professional players were hiring their own trainers and doing extra work outside the club’s program. I honestly can't believe the Mariners (or any club, really) would allow that. Surely they'd want to tightly manage every part of a player's fitness, diet, recovery, and tactical prep?

The idea that someone could just bring in an outsider and do their own thing - how is that not a massive risk? Over-training, conflicting advice, even undermining what the coaching staff are trying to implement. I get that some players want to go the extra mile, but I’m still surprised that this kind of setup is considered normal.

Am I the only one who finds this hard to wrap their head around?

 

[Hello Sailor]

I had no idea that professional players were hiring their own trainers and doing extra work outside the club’s program. I honestly can't believe the Mariners (or any club, really) would allow that. Surely they'd want to tightly manage every part of a player's fitness, diet, recovery, and tactical prep?

The idea that someone could just bring in an outsider and do their own thing - how is that not a massive risk? Over-training, conflicting advice, even undermining what the coaching staff are trying to implement. I get that some players want to go the extra mile, but I’m still surprised that this kind of setup is considered normal.

Am I the only one who finds this hard to wrap their head around?

Isnt Sainsbury's gym injury an example of this?

 

[pjennings]

Isnt Sainsbury's gym injury an example of this?

No - that seemed to be in-house. Trying to beat Danny's record I heard.

 

[Coastalraider]

You know which players do all the work a team provides? All the average ones.

You know who rises up from the crowd?

The ones willing to do a little more. Some extra skills. Some extra mobility. Some extra shooting.

There’s no better way to stay average than do what everyone else is doing, in sport and life.

 

[Tevor]

Shouldn't your employer in your desk job be providing all the training you require? Why spend time studying outside of work? To further your career, no different for a sportsman that wants to improve an aspect of his game. In Nizzy's case it's probably more about improving confidence in shooting, which he lacks.

Not sure your analogy is all that correct, if you have a desk job you can go to Uni, that is not provided by your employer in house. I agree with the last part in that who cares he did as it’s a great trait to have.

 

[Big Al]

I had no idea that professional players were hiring their own trainers and doing extra work outside the club’s program. I honestly can't believe the Mariners (or any club, really) would allow that. Surely they'd want to tightly manage every part of a player's fitness, diet, recovery, and tactical prep?

The idea that someone could just bring in an outsider and do their own thing - how is that not a massive risk? Over-training, conflicting advice, even undermining what the coaching staff are trying to implement. I get that some players want to go the extra mile, but I’m still surprised that this kind of setup is considered normal.

Am I the only one who finds this hard to wrap their head around?

i would except it but also think it would be a club or coach program.

I get what you are saying about recovering etc but in the off time they can go golfing or swimming surfing etc. so just see it as a better use of time for those that want to get better. I would expect extra training to be shooting crosses touch etc. nothing to physical for a pro athlete. More skill based than stamina.

 

[Big Al]

We also said Niz was missing goals so if that’s what he is targeting makes perfect sense for someone who wants to take their game to another level.

 

[Hello Sailor]

No - that seemed to be in-house. Trying to beat Danny's record I heard.

Wow. This was approved by supervising fitness staff?

 

[pjennings]

Wow. This was approved by supervising fitness staff?

I doubt it.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Wow. This was approved by supervising fitness staff?

Walked out of camera range. OM couldn't see him

 

[Corsair]

Not sure your analogy is all that correct, if you have a desk job you can go to Uni, that is not provided by your employer in house. I agree with the last part in that who cares he did as it’s a great trait to have.

That's what I meant...I did a lot of extra stuff early in my career and sat professional exams, none of it sanctioned by my employer.

 

[adz]

I think everyone’s answering a different question to the one I’m asking.

I get that players want to do more - and that’s great. But why is that necessary? Their entire job is to train and play football. The club literally exists to manage their development. So if they’re regularly seeking extra skill work or confidence boosters outside the club, doesn’t that suggest the club isn’t providing enough of that?

In most of our jobs, yeah, you upskill outside hours because you’re busy doing work during the day. But for footballers, the training is the job. If they have spare capacity and they’re using it on private coaching, then why isn’t the club doing more to fill that space with better, individualised development?

To me, that reflects more on the club than the player. If the player needs it, the club should own it - they should be identifying those needs, planning that development, and providing the resources directly. Otherwise, what are they actually managing?

Is this just a resourcing issue, or are clubs genuinely leaving it up to players to sort out for themselves?

 

[Big Al]

I think everyone’s answering a different question to the one I’m asking.

I get that players want to do more - and that’s great. But why is that necessary? Their entire job is to train and play football. The club literally exists to manage their development. So if they’re regularly seeking extra skill work or confidence boosters outside the club, doesn’t that suggest the club isn’t providing enough of that?

In most of our jobs, yeah, you upskill outside hours because you’re busy doing work during the day. But for footballers, the training is the job. If they have spare capacity and they’re using it on private coaching, then why isn’t the club doing more to fill that space with better, individualised development?

To me, that reflects more on the club than the player. If the player needs it, the club should own it - they should be identifying those needs, planning that development, and providing the resources directly. Otherwise, what are they actually managing?

Is this just a resourcing issue, or are clubs genuinely leaving it up to players to sort out for themselves?

I think that is available if you want to work with the coaches or teammates but sometimes you might want a different opinion or voice to learn different stuff.

You might teach one way and someone else another. Or someone might be a specialist that a club like ours doesn’t have (can’t afford)

Jacko is not a specialist striker. Mat Simon is but his style doesn’t suit Niz. Might need someone of similar position or style