Mariner stuff not worthy of a whole thread

[dibo]

Shit article, but I still don't see the point of hiring Redknapp for anything, let alone some 'consultancy' where he and MC can't seem to agree on the scale of involvement, whether he'll ever come to the country or even the name of the club.

 

[midfielder]

A growing issue is and one MC I am sure is aware of is the growing disquiet other clubs and fans are starting to have of us... Consider we actually bragged we did not care were we came or what the scores were.

Its gone well beyond banter we are being increasingly seen as a joke with questions being raised similar to the Auckland Kings when they hit the skids... For our own sake I hope we improve a lot next year the entire league seems to be going technical improvement Spanish etc and we hire as a consultant someone from the hoof and chase days ...

I really do hope he works out because if he does not it will add to a growing perception of the Mariners not of battlers and the little club that could not to a club being question what are you brining the league and how will you grow it.

Whether we are hanging on until the next media deal or not I am unsure however the confusion surrounding his appointment and what his role is ..... is causing no longer negative banter but in fans actually saying should we allow them to continue in this manner.

My hope is the squad, coach and management appointments all work out and we have a decent if not successful season ... my fear is it all starts to unravel early ..

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Far too much being made of this.

A consultant is just a consultant - you run shit by them and get their thoughts advice and they may help you solve problems with their own expertise or networks. May not work - still doesn't mean it isnt worthwhile trying.

Anyone who thinks a club with our history winning a spoon and hiring a consultant who makes a gaff is grounds for assault on the legitimacy of our club is just a deadset prick with an axe to grind. And lets remember..,

They were talking about us this way long before Redknapp - just for having a shit season - fully knowing that we are the smallest regional club and were trying to moneyball our way out of living on the financial brink. Senior players left and we f**ked it up. So what. You won't always win or get it right.

" Other fans" middy have bern denouncing our right to exist for almost as long as i can remeber whether it was our hoof ball under Lawrie or (in their words) our pathetic active support or crowd numbers. Wasted too mamy precious hours of life in keyboard battles with these assholes. Good or bad they dont give a shit about us - should never take their side or use their disapproval as a measure for anything. We can speak our minds and criticisms but we need to stick together no matter what.

We had an awful year - there were reasons why. Club is clearly working to move forward, hires a consultant renowned for making gaffs, who then makes a gaff. This is not a big deal. Or shouldnt be. Yet it is made out to be... Why?

*just hopefully fixed typos. Hate writing posts on my phone. Fat fingers

 

[dibo]

Far too much being made of this.

It's the club that talked it up with a big announcement.

The rest is the inevitable media circus and fan scrutiny. After a season like ours, you want to hear serious ideas, not brainfarts.

This is either meant to be a serious thing to give confidence to fans, in which case they've misjudged their audience, or it's a peripheral thing, in which case it didn't warrant the breathless announcement from the club.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Far too much being made of this.

A consultant is just a consultant - you run shit by them and get their thoughts advice and they may help you solve problems with their own expertise or networks. May not work - still doesn't mean it isnt worthwhile trying.

Anyone who thinks a club with our history winning a spoon and hiring a consultant who makes a gaff is grounds for assault on the legitimacy of our club is just a deadset prick with an axe to grind. And lets remember..,

They were talking about us this way long before Redknapp - just for having a shit season - fully knowing that we are the smallest regional club and were trying to moneyball our way out of living on the financial brink. Senior players left and we f**ked it up. So what. You won't always win or get it right.

" Other fans" middy have bern denouncing our right to exist for almost as long as i can remeber whether it was our hoof ball under Lawrie or (in their words) our pathetic active support or crowd numbers. Wasted too mamy precious hours of life in keyboard battles with these assholes. Good or bad they dont give a shit about us - should never take their side or use their disapproval as a measure for anything. We can speak our minds and criticisms but we need to stick together no matter what.

We had an awful year - there were reasons why. Club is clearly working to move forward, hires a consultant renowned for making gaffs, who then makes a gaff. This is not a big deal. Or shouldnt be. Yet it is made out to be... Why?

*just hopefully fixed typos. Hate writing posts on my phone. Fat fingers

This, above all other posts and other crap written on the subject.

FFS, we have hired Redknap as a consultant, not head of football, not as manager and not as CEO.

He is there to provide advice which from a very experienced person from the football world is what is needed when you are lacking in it.

Coaching advice, management advice, recruitment advice, the whole running of a club advice, surely cannot be a bad thing looking at where we are now.

I see this appointment as management/owner realising we have problems and are going about addressing it rather than acting in a reactionary way and sacking everyone as some here (no names) would have us doing.

 

[dibo]

His qualifications amount to spending other people's money and 'talking a good game'. He won a FA Cup while bankrupting a club (who are now in League 2) and... that's about it.

He's a wheeler dealer, sure, but I don't see how that has *any* relevance to this league and this club in particular.

I literally cannot see the value he might bring, except some headlines. And the value of the headlines were eroded by Redknapp clearly not being across his brief (or perhaps more concerningly, not briefed at all before talking to journos).

So he might know some people who'd be good to sign. With what money? With which spare visa spots?

If he's here for business advice, FMD. Anybody who wants to know why that ought to be a concern needs two minutes to google Harry Redknapp and Peter Storrie and Portsmouth.

 

[Wombat]

You are Showing a lot of ignorance Dibo.
West Ham had their best ever success under Harry.
Spurs were also a revelation under him and he came within a whisker of becoming the England manager.
He deserves a lot of respect.

 

[dibo]

No, he really doesn't.

 

[midfielder]

Far too much being made of this.

A consultant is just a consultant - you run shit by them and get their thoughts advice and they may help you solve problems with their own expertise or networks. May not work - still doesn't mean it isnt worthwhile trying.

Anyone who thinks a club with our history winning a spoon and hiring a consultant who makes a gaff is grounds for assault on the legitimacy of our club is just a deadset prick with an axe to grind. And lets remember..,

They were talking about us this way long before Redknapp - just for having a shit season - fully knowing that we are the smallest regional club and were trying to moneyball our way out of living on the financial brink. Senior players left and we f**ked it up. So what. You won't always win or get it right.

" Other fans" middy have bern denouncing our right to exist for almost as long as i can remeber whether it was our hoof ball under Lawrie or (in their words) our pathetic active support or crowd numbers. Wasted too mamy precious hours of life in keyboard battles with these assholes. Good or bad they dont give a shit about us - should never take their side or use their disapproval as a measure for anything. We can speak our minds and criticisms but we need to stick together no matter what.

We had an awful year - there were reasons why. Club is clearly working to move forward, hires a consultant renowned for making gaffs, who then makes a gaff. This is not a big deal. Or shouldnt be. Yet it is made out to be... Why?

*just hopefully fixed typos. Hate writing posts on my phone. Fat fingers

FP

We all argued our case against some posters... but it was easy to argue against our crowds were better than PG, often AU, NZ, Hearts ... up until the half way point of Hal 9 we were the most successful club in the A_league... also we have more AC appearances than any other club... and we produced Socceroos...

Today we say we don't care about a season, results, scores.... thats kinda a different level and not good for the league...

We appoint a retired EPL coach being kind of the old school as a consultant ... then do not define his role... he then says he is not coming to Australia and MC says he is... then he gets our name wrong...

FP the things being said are different and by different people ... Each club has an obligation nay responsibility to develop Football in Australia which although many times in the past has been its own worst enemy it has a challenge to compete with the traditional codes like NRL & AFL who between them enjoy I read last year over 54 % of the sports media coverage in Australia when you add cricket which receives about 23% ...

The straw that broke Tony Abort's back was the Knighthoods coming back... Harry's appointment could backfire ... I hope not I really hope I am wrong

We are looking a joke FFS we are keeping a coach who has the worst by light years defensive record in the history of either Hal or NSL [goal average re NSL]

As I said I hope it all works out well my fear is if we have another poor year then I am unsure were it could end.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

His qualifications amount to spending other people's money and 'talking a good game'. He won a FA Cup while bankrupting a club (who are now in League 2) and... that's about it.

He's a wheeler dealer, sure, but I don't see how that has *any* relevance to this league and this club in particular.

I literally cannot see the value he might bring, except some headlines. And the value of the headlines were eroded by Redknapp clearly not being across his brief (or perhaps more concerningly, not briefed at all before talking to journos).

So he might know some people who'd be good to sign. With what money? With which spare visa spots?

If he's here for business advice, FMD. Anybody who wants to know why that ought to be a concern needs two minutes to google Harry Redknapp and Peter Storrie and Portsmouth.

I agree the club tried to milk the announcement, but I'm ok with that and don't blame them for trying to be upbeat even if they may have over hyped it and Harry banana skinned them. And if it was just his announcement, ok, but it's also on the back of two solid signings in the right areas - so it doesn't look like they have their heads in their arses to me.

"I literally cannot see the value he might bring, except some headlines"

Why? I read this in one of your earlier posts and almost responded as it confused me then. He has played hundreds of games at the top level and then went on to manage at the highest level of the game for over 30 years. He's had failures like virtually all managers, but he has taken clubs back from the brink also. It would be stupid and arrogant of us to think he could be of no use to a spooning CCM as a consultant. It's logical to think the opposite - which is why it surprises me to be on the other side of this argument from you.

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In October 2008, following the sacking of Juande Ramos by Tottenham Hotspur, the club announced that Redknapp had agreed to take over as the new manager at Spurs.[38] Tottenham paid £5 million in compensation to Portsmouth for letting Redknapp go.[39]Spurs had secured only two points from the first eight games of the season prior to Redknapp's arrival and lay bottom of the league, but in his first two weeks in charge he took the club out of the relegation zone, winning ten out of the twelve points available with wins against Bolton Wanderers, Liverpool and Manchester City and a remarkable 4–4 draw against North London rivals Arsenal.

In January 2009, Redknapp signed five new players in order to add quality and much-needed depth to his squad. He brought backJermain Defoe from his old club Portsmouth for £15.75 million and Honduran midfielder Wilson Palacios from Wigan Athletic for £12 million. Long-serving Chelsea keeper Carlo Cudicini also joined on a free transfer, former Spurs player Pascal Chimbonda returned to White Hart Lane from Sunderland for a fee in the region of £3 million and Robbie Keane, who like Chimbonda and Defoe had only left Spurs within the last year, re-joined after an unsuccessful spell at Liverpool for an initial fee of £12 million.

In the second half of the season, Spurs gradually moved up the league table after a significant improvement in form. In March 2009, Redknapp led Spurs to the League Cup final, which they lost on penalties to Manchester United. Spurs eventually finished in eighth position with 51 points, narrowly missing out on a Europa League place.

Redknapp made significant alterations to the squad in the summer of 2009. Striker Darren Bent was sold to Sunderland for an initial fee of £10 million,[40] while midfielderDidier Zokora departed for Sevilla for £7.75 million.[41] In came England striker Peter Crouch and Croatia midfielder Niko Kranjčar from Portsmouth for £9 million and £2 million respectively[42][43] along with defender Sébastien Bassong from Newcastle United for £8 million.[44]

In 2009–10, his first full campaign with the club, Redknapp guided Spurs to their most successful Premier League season to date. Beginning with four consecutive wins,[45]Spurs went on to finish in fourth place with 70 points, thus gaining the chance to qualify for the Champions League by means of a play-off. As a result of his efforts he won the Premier League Manager of the Year award, only the second manager to do so in a season when his side did not win the title.
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Middy, I don't dismiss your concerns about our need to do well. I agree. As to your points, I'll do my best to respond to all of them.

Harry made a gaff - egg on our face - yes - but it doesn't mean his appointment as a consultant is grounds for him being rubbish or that the club are fools for hiring him either. Hiring a very experienced Manager from the top level as a consultant to help is NOT a sign the club is a joke.

They have defined his role. He's a consultant. Also his retirement is only very recent.

Worse defensive record... Yes, but why? Again you settle on the coach. But you can't lose Reddy and your most experienced CB and replace them with kids (because that's all you have) and expect a different result.

You and most others lump that on Walmsley. I think that's unfair, when there are clearly multiple parties at fault, and also believe the context for how we got there should matter for a supporter group who care so much about their club. And I also believe TW really does give a shit about us and we're not just a pay packet.

What I think clearly happened is 'there's a hole in my bucket' Middy...

Arnie spends beyond the clubs means (which isn't hard) we win... but we're going under... MC wants/needs to rein the spending in and or increase revenue.... This triggers NSO debacle/ selling games, and undoubtedly births the idea that attracting fans by playing an entertaining brand of football is paramount. Good intentions but when this idea is combined with moneyball and meets the two biggest dickheads in the team - who are also unfortunately critical senior players - the rot begins... and they leave... team of kids + no cash... recipe for total spooning disaster.

Walmsley never had a chance. Like I've said, he might be shit. But there are too many legitimate reasons for why we were the mess we were.

And as far as developing Australian football goes... sorry but we stand head and shoulders above every other side in this regard. Even this last year, we can hold our head up proudly about the Aussie youth we have given experience too.

But from COE to academies, community involvement, and the flagship regional club that is the living proof it is still possible to have a genuine national competition... THAT is incredibly valuable to Australian football. So what if we were mostly gash on the field for a year - it pales against our overall contribution - no one should feel they have any right to be bad mouthing CCM in this regard.

Don't believe all these tossers middy, they really only care about big spectacle events between what they consider the big clubs. The truth is we bore them. It's the same with press and pundits and other teams fans in leagues all over the world. They're just looking for an excuse to hate on us. I think you're right we should try not give it to them, and spooning and the recent gaff did, but above all we still need to keep our own clubs clearly positive efforts in perspective - gaffs and defensive records aside.

 

[pjennings]

I think the club over-egged the announcement, however, I can't see that we will be paying him a heap of money. He is only there really to spot some lower league talents - or even higher league talents that need some re-birthing in another environment. Realistically, I would hope that we are still keeping in contact for Luis for his knowledge of the Spanish leagues in a similar role..

I hope it works out well - but seriously for the next season I just want us to be well away from the spoon and competitive for the six. The following season, with more of the COE coming online and a larger media deal I would expect these contacts to come more to the fore.

 

[dibo]

Unlikely that we sign Birighitti, which some people might see as a bit of kick in the teeth:

 

[Timmah]

It's the club that talked it up with a big announcement.

The rest is the inevitable media circus and fan scrutiny. After a season like ours, you want to hear serious ideas, not brainfarts.

This is either meant to be a serious thing to give confidence to fans, in which case they've misjudged their audience, or it's a peripheral thing, in which case it didn't warrant the breathless announcement from the club.

"Big announcement"?

It was an announcement - I don't feel it was any bigger than anything else happening around it - Buhagiar re-signing was a great announcement from that night, along with the award winners etc.

I think outside media (and Arry imself) are the ones who've made this a bigger deal than it is.

 

[Paolo]

"Big announcement"?

It was an announcement - I don't feel it was any bigger than anything else happening around it - Buhagiar re-signing was a great announcement from that night, along with the award winners etc.

I think outside media (and Arry imself) are the ones who've made this a bigger deal than it is.

Didn't MC refer to it as our "biggest signing yet/to date"?

 

[FFC Mariner]

Indeed he did.

 

[Timmah]

The truth is often a little to the left of what cynics wish to believe.

Charlesworth touted the signing as one of the biggest in Central Coast Mariners history

http://www.ccmariners.com.au/articl...ral-coast-mariners/18s87kb6nbm4t1k2a1b4wfe1vq

So yeah he played it up, but "one of the biggest" isn't "biggest signing yet".

 

[Paolo]

That sounds like a "big announcement" to me...

 

[adz]

Can't believe we're arguing over whether it was a big announcement or not.

 

[dibo]

It's a looooooong off-season.

Was thinking of starting an argument over whether people prefer crunchy or smooth peanut butter. Obviously smooth peanut butter is the work of the devil and all those who like it must be thrown into the sea.

 

[pjennings]

It's a looooooong off-season.

Was thinking of starting an argument over whether people prefer crunchy or smooth peanut butter. Obviously smooth peanut butter is the work of the devil and all those who like it must be thrown into the sea.

Shit - I'm in trouble.