"I for one welcome our insect overlords" - The Politics Thread

[FFC Mariner]

So consider how dumb the average person is. Then consider that half the population is dumber than that.

You meant median I assume?
You know "half of the population is above and half below"

 

[Insertnamehere]

You meant median I assume?
You know "half of the population is above and half below"

That assumes the average and median are a different score.

 

[pjennings]

im just ashamed of the country !
i wrote albo months ago why he was gunna loss .

keating would have won the referendum by going after price , dutton and mundine .
as well as the IPA , rinehart ,stokes and murdoch .

labor may be lucky to be returned next election and will certainly be crippled. unless they go after
the disinformation machine .

First a bit of history. Every state Premier and Opposition leader supported the referendum. The Nationals were the only ones to oppose it. The Liberals were agnostic and were going to allow their members to campaign either way. Then they lost the Aston by-election. The subsequent partyroom confirmed their agnostic view. Dutton chose in the subsequent press conference to state that the Liberals will be voting no.

Then a bit of realism. Traditionally 50 seats will basically vote LNP and 50 will vote ALP. The remaining seats are where the battle is fought. Last election the Teals took 7 of the traditional coalition seats. If the LNP wants to win the next election they will need to appeal to those 7 seats. Yesterday gave voters in those seats no reason to do that and also put at least Bradfield and Deakin at risk.

So assume that Bradfield and Deakin are lost and the Teals and other independents keep their their seats which became more likely yesterday. That means that the starting point is LNP 41, ALP 50, Teals 9, Ind 5, Greens 4. A total of 109 of 151 seats. To get 76 seats and govern in their own right the LNP would need to win 35 of the 42 seats that are up for grabs.

Politcally, Dutton wanted to take paint of Albanese. All he has done is sign his own political death warrant while the Albanese government is more popular today in TPP terms than at the May 2022 election. The LNP powers that be in NSW and Vic were always going to look at replacing a QLD leader with one of their own. I can't remember a QLD Liberal going to an election as leader.

 

[Wombat]

Interesting that the wealthy Liberal seats (and a few inner city Green seats) were pretty much the only seats to vote Yes.
Also interesting how high the No vote was in areas with alot of first nation people.

Albanese is simply not capable enough. I don't like Dutton at all but he has been made to look a superior operator by Albo's bumbling.

 

[pjennings]

Interesting that the wealthy Liberal seats (and a few inner city Green seats) were pretty much the only seats to vote Yes.
Also interesting how high the No vote was in areas with alot of first nation people.

Albanese is simply not capable enough. I don't like Dutton at all but he has been made to look a superior operator by Albo's bumbling.

In a referendum where Indigenous affairs was the only issue. In an election Indigenous Affairs will be a lower level consideration.

As for Dutton looking a superior operator why is the Albanese government polling better than when they won the 2022 election in spite of the bad coverage Albanese has received over the voice.

Not all of that is Albanese over Dutton or Albanese over Dutton as you would have it. (Though it is easy to say no to everything). The problem goes much deeper when you look at some of the top ministries. Not all of the LNP shadows are not bad at all - but any opposition with Ley, Taylor, Hume and Cash in key top positions ministries will be seen as incompetent at best.

Deputy - Marles v Ley
Treasury - Chalmers v Taylor
Finance - Gallagher vs Hume
Foreign Affairs - Wong vs Birmingham
Attorney-General - Dreyfuss vs Cash
Employment and Workplace Relations - Burke vs Cash
Health - Butler vs Rushton
Education - Clare vs Henderson
Defence - Marles vs Hastie
Trade - Farrell vs Hogan
Home Affairs - O'Neill vs Paterson

 

[true believer]

1 First a bit of history. Every state Premier and Opposition leader supported the referendum. The Nationals were the only ones to oppose it. The Liberals were agnostic and were going to allow their members to campaign either way. Then they lost the Aston by-election. The subsequent partyroom confirmed their agnostic view. Dutton chose in the subsequent press conference to state that the Liberals will be voting no.

2 Then a bit of realism. Traditionally 50 seats will basically vote LNP and 50 will vote ALP. The remaining seats are where the battle is fought. Last election the Teals took 7 of the traditional coalition seats. If the LNP wants to win the next election they will need to appeal to those 7 seats. Yesterday gave voters in those seats no reason to do that and also put at least Bradfield and Deakin at risk.

So assume that Bradfield and Deakin are lost and the Teals and other independents keep their their seats which became more likely yesterday. That means that the starting point is LNP 41, ALP 50, Teals 9, Ind 5, Greens 4. A total of 109 of 151 seats. To get 76 seats and govern in their own right the LNP would need to win 35 of the 42 seats that are up for grabs.

Politcally, Dutton wanted to take paint of Albanese. All he has done is sign his own political death warrant while the Albanese government is more popular today in TPP terms than at the May 2022 election. The LNP powers that be in NSW and Vic were always going to look at replacing a QLD leader with one of their own. I can't remember a QLD Liberal going to an election as leader.

1 oooh you believe dutton is the leader of the liberal party .
dutton is a just a cheap thug that has one instruction "say no" murdoch will appoint
a new leader after the election .

2 the no vote had only two objectives . make sure the aboriginals have no contact with the bureaucracy.
thus insuring the IPA miners have carte blanche on resources .with 50% of the indigenous population below the poverty line and minimal education. the 235 years of genocide will continue . the other objective is to destroy albanese

3 numbers right .you don't need 76 LNP members to rule . you simply need 76 members that owe
murdoch ,the IPA ,stokes ,rinehart etc their soul . if you own all the media and have the likes of twitter enfranchising the right .it's amazing the ALP ever wins .

4 elections are about diesel costing 2.12 a litre and the fear campaign thats run with it .
so scooter libby said "all you have to do to win an election is scare the stupid people "
ie what happened with the voice.

state elections are irrelevant as bill shorten found out

 

[Wombat]

1 oooh you believe dutton is the leader of the liberal party .
dutton is a just a cheap thug that has one instruction "say no" murdoch will appoint
a new leader after the election .

2 the no vote had only two objectives . make sure the aboriginals have no contact with the bureaucracy.
thus insuring the IPA miners have carte blanche on resources .with 50% of the indigenous population below the poverty line and minimal education. the 235 years of genocide will continue . the other objective is to destroy albanese

3 numbers right .you don't need 76 LNP members to rule . you simply need 76 members that owe
murdoch ,the IPA ,stokes ,rinehart etc their soul . if you own all the media and have the likes of twitter enfranchising the right .it's amazing the ALP ever wins .

4 elections are about diesel costing 2.12 a litre and the fear campaign thats run with it .
so scooter libby said "all you have to do to win an election is scare the stupid people "
ie what happened with the voice.

state elections are irrelevant as bill shorten found out

But apart from Sky News the media in Oz is blatantly LW?

 

[booney]

But apart from Sky News the media in Oz is blatantly LW?

Is Kerry Stokes left wing and is Ben Fordham LW?

 

[Big Al]

Interesting that the wealthy Liberal seats (and a few inner city Green seats) were pretty much the only seats to vote Yes.
Also interesting how high the No vote was in areas with alot of first nation people.

Albanese is simply not capable enough. I don't like Dutton at all but he has been made to look a superior operator by Albo's bumbling.

And LABOR seats didn’t vote for it.

It was a shit show from the beginning.

Yes people are in denial. It wasn’t Dutton and misinformation. There was just as much disinformation from the yes campaign.

6 in 10 say No

That’s 6 in 10 forum members
That’s 6 in 10 CCM players men and women

Their is a lot of crying and throwing the toys out of the cot and blaming everyone else instead of looking within.

Albo had no plan whatsoever for how it would work. So how can you vote for something that has no information. It’s open for interpretation instead of facts.

Apparently states are doing their own anyway without the BS. SA is the most advanced.

Glad it’s all over and we can move on.

 

[FFC Mariner]

What I can't understand is that Albanese failed to heed any of the lessons from Howard killing off independence from UK.
Voting patterns followed broadly similar lines, no bipartisan agreement.
Was a Brexit, Trump vote against perceived "elites"
Is he that out of touch or was he happy to see it fail.
Or is he just not very good?

 

[Insertnamehere]

But apart from Sky News the media in Oz is blatantly LW?

Let's review who owns or runs MSM.

ABC - Govt owned.

SBS - Govt owned.

9 - Peter Costello

7 - Kerry Stokes

10 - Gina the Hutt

Newscorp - Murdoch

 

[true believer]

But apart from Sky News the media in Oz is blatantly LW?

wait peter costello runs channel 9
kerry stokes own channel 7
nobody watches channel 10
the ABC has been gutted for 9 years by the LNP

maybe mastodon could help you overcome your cloistered opinion

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[true believer]

What I can't understand is that Albanese failed to heed any of the lessons from Howard killing off independence from UK.
Voting patterns followed broadly similar lines, no bipartisan agreement.
Was a Brexit, Trump vote against perceived "elites"
Is he that out of touch or was he happy to see it fail.
Or is he just not very good?

just a naïve puppy, that thought common decency would win the day .
but you nailed it .the lying rodent made the referendum about politicians. turnbull fell for the same trap.

 

[Insertnamehere]

A legislated voice at a state level might actually have more powers than the constitutional amendment would allow. It wouldn't be challenged at the drop of a hat because the scope of the phrasing was narrow.

Then there's the treaty/ies which are now on the cards.

It may be a worse result for no voters.

 

[booney]

And LABOR seats didn’t vote for it.

It was a shit show from the beginning.

Yes people are in denial. It wasn’t Dutton and misinformation. There was just as much disinformation from the yes campaign.

6 in 10 say No

That’s 6 in 10 forum members
That’s 6 in 10 CCM players men and women

Their is a lot of crying and throwing the toys out of the cot and blaming everyone else instead of looking within.

Albo had no plan whatsoever for how it would work. So how can you vote for something that has no information. It’s open for interpretation instead of facts.

Apparently states are doing their own anyway without the BS. SA is the most advanced.

Glad it’s all over and we can move on.

If you read the Constitution it is pretty vague-only provides a frame work for how the nation should be run and is very light on detail so those who say the Yes campaign was short on detail should read the Constitution and find out what a sparse document it is.The Constitution is itself open to interpretation so any addition or amendment would also be open to interpretation.Therefore the argument that the Voice should have had more detail would make it more a decree from the Government and less of a framework how the Voice as an advisory body should function.The Voice was envisaged as an advisory body to Parliament on First Nations issues.How the make up of the Voice members would be left up to First Nations peoples and Communities to determine.

If there had been a bipartisan approach the referendum would have overwhelmingly in favour of the Voice being established so give me that bullshit that Dutton's political manoeuvrings did not contribute largely to the success of the No campaign.

Albanese,naively or foolishly( take your pick),believed that the so called " innate fairness" of Australians would get the Yes campaign over the line.He left a lot of the campaigning to the well known First Nations leaders-Burney,Pearson,Davis and Langton-as he felt that as it was about their people they should take the lead and it was technically the right approach but maybe some passion and fire as a Whitlam or a Keating would have injected would have been more productive.

 

[pjennings]

Lidia Thorp on the weekend virtually that she would never accept any change - because she doesn't recognise the Constitution as it is a British Act of Parliament and she is not bound by it.

 

[Huddo]

personal opinion, and a bit of a conspiracy theory.

the position of Labor and Albanese although seeming naïve or foolish, was actual extremely cunning and calculated.

the Libs will struggle to make up ground on the Teals now in the inner city seats because of their conservative stance, the result shines a light on their schism with the liberal vote. all the while Labor doesn't have to do anything for another 2 years as the referendum failed.

 

[Insertnamehere]

personal opinion, and a bit of a conspiracy theory.

the position of Labor and Albanese although seeming naïve or foolish, was actual extremely cunning and calculated.

the Libs will struggle to make up ground on the Teals now in the inner city seats because of their conservative stance, the result shines a light on their schism with the liberal vote. all the while Labor doesn't have to do anything for another 2 years as the referendum failed.

Watch friendly jordies take on this. LNP have given up on teal seats and now actively hunt the cooker vote

 

[FFC Mariner]

Dont write the LNP off so quickly - as this Labor administration is proving you need to be more than not Scomo. You need to actually do stuff about things people care about (themselves)
If Herr Dutton gets Price in as his #2 (as speculated) they are both brutal enough politicians to potentially tear Albanese down. If he can flip some working seats who Labor have abandoned to rent rises, power price rises, wage stagnation etc etc. Then they may have to work very hard for a 2nd term
They should get one but I suggest they will have a real fight on their hands

 

[true believer]

Lidia Thorp on the weekend virtually that she would never accept any change - because she doesn't recognise the Constitution as it is a British Act of Parliament and she is not bound by it.

then she's purged her oath of office .