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"I for one welcome our insect overlords" - The Politics Thread

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midfielder

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What can you say to date ... who knows whats going on...

Some Comments not cemented in just thinking

Broader Protection ... the boats have stopped meaning no more drowning at sea I guess me thinks our northern friends quite approve of our stance behind closed doors but because of the past need to make some noise's ...

Medicare ... HHHMMMmmmmm a co payment and sale of medicare private ... lost me their Tony in a big big big way...

Education ... Mr Pine .... IMO the worst education minster in in living memory ...

Manufacturing ... HHHMMmmmmm huge debate I can see both sides ...

Grain Board ... made a lot of sense but without the country party you kinda wonder if it would have been saved...

Industrial Relations ... HHHMmmmm watch this space...

Building Unions... have always been as they are in their long term interest the ALP IMO should walk away from these guys...

Craig Thompson ... brought down in a sense the Gillard government ... my guess is if Julia had her time again she would have sacked him and gone to a new election ... but time and whats done cannot be undone...
 

dibo

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John Singleton blew $750,000 on two losing candidates, as election spending revealed
Date: February 24, 2014 - 11:32AM

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John Singleton (centre), at the Melbourne Cup races. Photo: Eddie Jim
John Singleton spent nearly $750,000 on his unsuccessful bid to get former Australian fast bowler Nathan Bracken and a central coast mayor, Lawrie McKinna, elected.

Mr Bracken stood against disgraced MP Craig Thomson in Dobell at the last federal election but drew just 8.2 per cent of the primary vote.

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Former fast bowler Nathan Bracken, campaigning last year, Photo: Nick Moir

Based on Mr Bracken's final tally of 7090 votes, his shot at breaking into politics cost Mr Singleton $52 per vote.

Candidate funding disclosures released by the Australian Electoral Commission on Monday showed Mr Singleton's private company OGNIS gave Mr Bracken $371,987 in 23 separate donations.

One donation, accepted on August 21, was $214,000.

OGNIS, based in Paddington, was formerly known as John Singleton (International) Pty Ltd, according to Australian Securities and Investment Commission records.

The Liberal candidate Karen McNamara won Dobell.

Mr Singleton also bankrolled Gosford mayor Lawrie McKinna, who ran in Robertson. He received 8.7 per cent of the vote, won by Liberal Lucy Wicks.

Mr Thomson received just 4 per cent of the vote in Dobell.

AEC records show he received just one single donation of $2000.

He spent $8100 on campaign advertising materials. Under parliamentary rules introduced by the Howard government, Mr Thomson will receive a one-off "resettlement allowance" of $95,000 for recontesting his seat rather than retiring from politics.

By comparison, the Indi independent Cathy McGowan rode a broad wave of public support into office at the expense of Coalition frontbencher Sophie Mirabella.

Ms McGowan had 1120 individual donors and raised $137,000.

Greg Rudd, the brother of former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, raised $58,000 from 47 people for his unsuccessful tilt at the Senate as an independent in Queensland.

Due to disclosure rules, the major parties have until February next year to outline how much their individual candidates raised.

Clive Palmer did not disclose what he spent on his campaign for the seat of Fairfax.

Mr Palmer submitted a covering letter, written by Palmer United Party agent Peter Burke that claims the "certification required on the return exceeds the authority” of sections of the Electoral Act.

"I note that a person cannot be compelled by law to say or sign something which does not represent the true position," Mr Burke wrote.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ng-revealed-20140224-33bll.html#ixzz2uCEgy6zn
 

eenfish

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Just weighing in for a moment, but a free trade agreement with South Korea, while making things cheaper for the "consumer" in Australia, will further effect any manufacturing still continuing in Australia. But hey, manufacturing in Australia is dying already so might as well finish it off with a bang, I guess.
 

true believer

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Just weighing in for a moment, but a free trade agreement with South Korea, while making things cheaper for the "consumer" in Australia, will further effect any manufacturing still continuing in Australia. But hey, manufacturing in Australia is dying already so might as well finish it off with a bang, I guess.

what have FTA's done for Australia except export jobs . the only two groups happy , are you guested it . miners and accountants (sorry middy) .
what jobs are being created ? well the NBN could of added a trillion dollars to the economy .but it interfered with murdochs business so was throttled
by abbott . then there is clean energy. probably what will become the biggest industry on the planet for the next 50 years . well abbott has made sure
Australia won't being getting anything there .
but hay as long as were putting those daygo reffo's in their place , it's all good.
 
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dibo

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Job snobs who refuse work because it’s too far to travel are in the sights of the Federal Government as they look to overhaul system
  • SAMANTHA MAIDEN
  • THE SUNDAY TELEGRAPH
  • MARCH 01, 2014 10:00PM
JOB snobs who refuse work because it’s too far to travel are in the federal government’s sights under reforms that would also collapse the disability support pension and unemployment benefits into a single universal welfare payment.

Determined to remove the “perverse incentive’’ to claim the disability pension because it is worth an extra $250 a fortnight compared to Newstart, Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews says the growing gap must be addressed.

But any changes would not involve stripping recipients of their current payments. Mr Andrews also ruled out including the age pension in any universal payment that would include add-ons for special circumstances such as disability.

Mr Andrews also wants to dump the “90-minute rule” that allows the unemployed to turn down jobs that involve a lengthy commute.

“Essentially if you have to travel more than 90 minutes for that job you don’t have to take it,’’ Mr Andrews said.

“It’s not really fair to be subsidising people who would have to travel similar distances but don’t have to because of this rule.”

Last year, The Sunday Telegraph revealed the Disability Support Pension scheme faced a major overhaul, with the government considering temporary payments for new clients and forcing younger recipients back to work.

In some cases, extra top-up allowances for eligible disability pensioners can increase the value of payments to nearly double the rate of Newstart. Unlike Newstart recipients, DSP recipients are also spared demands that they search for work or even regular checks that they can work.

Mr Andrews has now confirmed the government will consider a universal payment covering disability pensioners and the unemployed as a longer-term option.

“There’s a perverse incentive to get on the disability support pension because it pays more than Newstart,’’ Mr Andrews said. “That’s something we have to be concerned about. Because of the indexation arrangements that gap is growing over the years.

“I am interested in resolving this growing gap between pension payments and Newstart payments. Obviously we would not be doing anything that changes arrangements for current recipients.”

The government has ruled out any changes to the age pension under the reforms.

So this is how this works - if you are offered a casual job you might have minimum shifts of 3 hours. You might have to spend *more than* 3 hours travelling for your three hours' work.

Imagine you're living in Gosford, and you're offered casual work in a bakery in Maitland (simply because it's a job that is on your job network provider's list). It's a 112km train trip, and the fastest trip possible is about 1hr 50m. Of course, there are connections to make so practically, you're often looking at a 4 hour round tip.

The minimum wage is $16.37, as a casual you'd be entitled to casual loading, so you'd get $20.46. For a minimum shift, you'd get a grand total of $61.39.

The bakery's pretty quiet, so you're mostly working minimum shift lengths in the morning, and your number of shifts might be irregular. If you buy return tickets each time, so you might be forking over $17.20 a time. If you know you're going to work at least 4 shifts, you'd get a weekly and pay $61. So a full 3hr shift's work would be eaten up by your train ticket.

Of course, if you're, say, 18, you're on junior rates (typically 70%). You're then earning just $14.32 an hour or $42.97 a shift, but you don't get travel concessions so your single train ticket eats up almost half a shift's pay, and a weekly eats almost one and a half shifts.

On top of this your NewStart benefit is dropping. As soon as you earn more than $62 a fortnight your benefit starts dropping by the rate of 50 cents in the dollar. If you crack $250 a fortnight, it goes to 60 cents in the dollar. Work a shift a week, you're getting stung. You get $250.50 in the pocket from NewStart.

Add one bakery shift at adult rate, you're up to $296.69 - you already lose $15.19 from your NewStart. Your shift is only worth $46.19 for your four hours' travel and three hours' work.

Add another, you only get another $30.69 in the pocket. 7hrs out of the house for less than $31 bucks? It gets worse.

Three shifts, you only keep $24.78. Your weekly income is hardly princely, it's $352.17. Meanwhile you're paying $51.60 in train tickets, so you're all of $50 better off for your 12hrs on a train and nine hours in a bakery.

I don't reckon saying no to that is being a job snob.
 

midfielder

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HHHMMmmmm scary stuff ... what about the single Mum with little support that needs day care and maybe because of the shift can not get back in time for the day care operator..
 

dibo

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Well, she'd be on Parenting Payment Single if her child is at home, but if her child is at school she'll be bumped down to the lower NewStart payment *and* forced to take unsuitable jobs. And if she incurs childcare costs as well...
 

midfielder

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Well, she'd be on Parenting Payment Single if her child is at home, but if her child is at school she'll be bumped down to the lower NewStart payment *and* forced to take unsuitable jobs. And if she incurs childcare costs as well...

Sorta assume the child is an 8 year old little girl .... and the after school care stops at 18:00 ... they live 3 Kls from the school... very very very difficult ...
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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So this is how this works - if you are offered a casual job you might have minimum shifts of 3 hours. You might have to spend *more than* 3 hours travelling for your three hours' work.

Imagine you're living in Gosford, and you're offered casual work in a bakery in Maitland (simply because it's a job that is on your job network provider's list). It's a 112km train trip, and the fastest trip possible is about 1hr 50m. Of course, there are connections to make so practically, you're often looking at a 4 hour round tip.

The minimum wage is $16.37, as a casual you'd be entitled to casual loading, so you'd get $20.46. For a minimum shift, you'd get a grand total of $61.39.

The bakery's pretty quiet, so you're mostly working minimum shift lengths in the morning, and your number of shifts might be irregular. If you buy return tickets each time, so you might be forking over $17.20 a time. If you know you're going to work at least 4 shifts, you'd get a weekly and pay $61. So a full 3hr shift's work would be eaten up by your train ticket.

Of course, if you're, say, 18, you're on junior rates (typically 70%). You're then earning just $14.32 an hour or $42.97 a shift, but you don't get travel concessions so your single train ticket eats up almost half a shift's pay, and a weekly eats almost one and a half shifts.

On top of this your NewStart benefit is dropping. As soon as you earn more than $62 a fortnight your benefit starts dropping by the rate of 50 cents in the dollar. If you crack $250 a fortnight, it goes to 60 cents in the dollar. Work a shift a week, you're getting stung. You get $250.50 in the pocket from NewStart.

Add one bakery shift at adult rate, you're up to $296.69 - you already lose $15.19 from your NewStart. Your shift is only worth $46.19 for your four hours' travel and three hours' work.

Add another, you only get another $30.69 in the pocket. 7hrs out of the house for less than $31 bucks? It gets worse.

Three shifts, you only keep $24.78. Your weekly income is hardly princely, it's $352.17. Meanwhile you're paying $51.60 in train tickets, so you're all of $50 better off for your 12hrs on a train and nine hours in a bakery.

I don't reckon saying no to that is being a job snob.

good analysis dibo. Of course, the numbers would become a lot worse if the job location doesn't have public transport . Then there's incidental concerns - people who may need to work reasonably close to home for various personal reasons, or those who need to put their kids into childcare while they're at work.
 

eenfish

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Add to this stuff the "Abbotts Green Army" bullocks

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...aid-half-the-minimum-wage-20140301-33st7.html

Will be making half the minimum wage, but the scariest part is this:

Those enlisted will do manual labour, including clearing local creeks and waterways, fencing and tree planting.

Green army members will be exempt from Commonwealth workplace laws, including the Work Health and Safety Act, the Fair Work Act and the Safety, Rehabilitation and Compensation Act.

They will be given the chance to take part in formal training as part of their duties, but will lose their Centrelink benefits.


One blog post I read from someone who works in a national park said that the jobs these "Green Army" members will be doing require proper training as well as exposure to dangerous chemicals. They also expressed concerned that with kids doing this it takes away the jobs of actual experienced and trained workers in the field.

It is also a smoke and mirrors campaign by the Libs to make it seem like they actually care about the environment when in reality they couldn't give too shits, and this entire thing reminds me of that con job the minister from The Wog Boy tries to pull in the movie.
 

midfielder

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Time we got a tad serious and with this in mind I will nominate the following to Truthful Jones or Truthful for short [D that is my new new nickname for Tony] just in case D stands for Dibo ...

D to be knighted for his work as a mod and his attention to the Queens English and proper English Grammar ..

BG ... to be known as a Dame for her tireless work supporting the Mighty Mariners ...

Kev & Roy to be knighted for there match reports and support of both football and the Mighty ones...
 

midfielder

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Truthful and Happy Face [ Billy S] ... must be lickings their wounds after the WA election... the new One Nation Party and its leader .. Fat Tony and his CPP getting some Libs votes and the Greens getting the ALP vote ... Happy Face is said not to be overly pleased on News 24 today they where saying the ALP vote was less than one in five....

Happy has announced cutting some union things .... hhhmmmmmm .. lets see ...meanwhile old Truthful is riding his bike around the emperors palace and watching from afar...
 

dibo

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Truthful and Happy Face [ Billy S] ... must be lickings their wounds after the WA election... the new One Nation Party and its leader .. Fat Tony and his CPP getting some Libs votes and the Greens getting the ALP vote ... Happy Face is said not to be overly pleased on News 24 today they where saying the ALP vote was less than one in five....

Happy has announced cutting some union things .... hhhmmmmmm .. lets see ...meanwhile old Truthful is riding his bike around the emperors palace and watching from afar...
The Libs' vote fell by more than the Labor vote. The winners here were the Greens (who got more free media than anyone could have imagined out of Ludlam's rant in the Senate a few weeks back) and PUP (who spent squillions).

Much of the damage Labor felt was self-inflicted, thanks to that monumental f**kwit Joe Bullock.

Votes appear to have flowed from Labor (and others) to the Greens, and from the Libs (and others) to Palmer. How anyone figures that's a win for the Government, or an argument for Labor to do anything other than stiffen its opposition to repealing the carbon and mining taxes is anyone's guess. WA voters seem to have decided there ought to be a pox on both houses.
 

dibo

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From http://thebigsmoke.com.au/2014/04/07/reality-boat-people-solution-asylum-seeker-problem/
The reality of boat people and a solution to the asylum seeker “problem”
APRIL 7, 2014
JULIAN BURNSIDE AO QC
The treatment of asylum seekers who arrive by boat has been one of the most divisive political issues in Australia’s recent political history.

It is worth knowing a few facts.

First, asylum seekers arrive in Australia by two paths. They may come by plane or by boat.

Those who come by plane must have travel documents from their country of origin, and a visa to enter Australia; if not, they are then put on a plane back to their point of embarkation, at the expense of the airline that brought them in. Asylum seekers who arrive by plane typically have a short-term visa (study, tourism, business) but when they clear passport control in Australia apply for asylum. When their original visa expires (typically, in a matter of months) they are allowed to remain in the community on a bridging visa while their asylum claim is resolved.

About 40 percent of this group are ultimately accepted as refugees.

Those who come by boat suffer several disadvantages. First, they come from countries that make it difficult or impossible for them to get travel documents. Second, they come from countries where it is practically impossible for them to get a visa to enter Australia. They come to Australia by boat because they can’t come by plane. The durable myth that they come by boat because they are rich is not only false – it is logically absurd. Why would a rich person pay to risk their life at sea? Typically, these people travel to Malaysia or Indonesia on forged papers. They do not pass through countries that have signed the UNHCR Refugee Convention, so their position is very precarious when their people smuggler takes back the dodgy travel documents. From that time, if they are found, they are liable to be jailed, or sent back to the country that has been persecuting them. Asylum seekers who get to Indonesia live in perpetual fear of detection.

In Indonesia, asylum seekers can go to the UNHCR office and seek refugee status. Those who are assessed as refugees may wait 20 or 30 years before they are offered a place in a safe country. In the meantime they cannot get jobs, and their kids cannot go to school, for fear of detection. In countries that have not signed the Refugee Convention, they are truly “illegal”. Not surprisingly, some of them – those with initiative and courage – place themselves in the hands of people smugglers, commit themselves to a dangerous boat trip, and end up in Australia.

Over the past 20 years, more than 90 percent of boat people have ultimately been assessed as refugees and are legally entitled to protection. The tragic irony of their position is that they are the focus of political attack, while the larger number of plane arrivals create hardly a ripple of concern.

The majority view – to which both major parties have tried to pander in the last few years – is that boat people who come to Australia seeking asylum are “illegals”, “queue-jumpers” and a threat to Australia’s borders, and thus to our sovereignty. This is the direct result of dishonest statements by Coalition governments: first the Howard government and now the Abbott government. But although it is Coalition governments who have actively lied about boat people, Labor has never – in opposition or in government – contradicted the lies.

By fostering these false views of boat people (or, at least, by not contradicting them) both major parties have succeeded in whipping up a kind of hysteria in the Australian electorate. The narrative started with “illegals” and “queue-jumpers”, then it matured to “smashing the people smugglers’ business model”, and finally evolved to “Operation Sovereign Borders” under the control of a military commander. From that point on, news about boat arrivals was restricted as “an operational matter”.

A promise to “stop the boats” fairly swiftly became a process of stopping informationabout the boats.

It is worth noting the trajectory of the public debate: people escaping horrors of a sort we can scarcely imagine are tagged as criminals; then the wickedness of the people smugglers is invoked to stir righteous indignation; and finally we have gone onto a spurious war footing, ostensibly to “protect” the country - and now we shroud the whole thing in language calculated to make the public think asylum seekers are dangerous criminals. The truth is that they are frightened people looking for protection: often enough, protection from our enemies!

It is interesting that the public (or at least a working majority of the public) accepted without hesitation the tags applied to asylum seekers. This, despite the fact that boat people are not “illegals”: coming to Australia the way they do to seek protection is not an offence against any law. To the contrary, seeking asylum is a right promised by theUniversal Declaration of Human Rights: a document Australia helped create, and to which we are a signatory.

In 2001, and again in 2012, Australia implemented a system of “warehousing” refugees in Manus Island (part of PNG) and Nauru. The so-called Pacific Solution is designed, ostensibly, to protect refugees from the perils of the sea. It does this, rather perversely, by waiting until refugees arrive safely in Christmas Island and then transports them, against their will, to Manus or Nauru. At present, people sent to those places are being processed at the rate of about two per year. The slowness of the processing is a reflection of two things. First, Manus and Nauru have no experience in refugee processing, so they had to set up the legal and system infrastructure. Second, Australia is explicitly pursuing a policy of deterrence: life in detention in Manus or Nauru is being made as harsh and prolonged as possible to maximise the deterrent effect. The theory is, apparently, that if we are cruel enough to people who have escaped persecution, others will prefer to stand and face their persecutors.
 

dibo

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Like most refugee advocates, I am not opposed to the concept of off-shore processing: it all depends on what that means. The refugee movement is about resettlement in a safe place. From the refugee’s point of view, it does not much matter where the processing takes place. But the processing has to be fair and efficient, and resettlement has to be swift.

In the late 1970s, off-shore processing in Malaysia met these criteria. While refugees undertook a dangerous boat voyage from Vietnam to Malaysia, they were processed in Malaysia and resettled swiftly. This, despite the fact that Malaysia has not signed the Refugee Convention. But a group of Western nations, including Australia, undertook the task of helping clean up the mess left after the end of the war in Vietnam and the genocide in Cambodia. At the time the coalition Prime Minister, Malcolm Fraser, managed to enlist the support of Gough Whitlam, the leader of the Labor Party. As a consequence, Australia received around 25,000 Indo-Chinese refugees each year for a few years. It caused no discernible social trouble.

How different it is today, with both major parties scoring political points by inciting, then harnessing xenophobia. What we call off-shore processing now is a different thing altogether. The Federal election campaign of 2013 was the first time in Australia’s political history that the two major political parties have tried to out-bid each other in their promises to be cruel to a particular group of human beings.

While the real problem is that Australia’s treatment of asylum seekers is profoundly immoral, it needs to be borne in mind that it costs us about $5 billion a year to behave so badly. If we were to treat boat people decently, it would cost about 10 percent of that amount.

If I could re-design the system, it would look something like this:

  • Boat-arrivals would be detained initially for one month, for preliminary health and security checks, subject to extension if a court was persuaded that a particular individual should be detained longer;
  • After initial detention, they would be released into the community, with the right to work, Centrelink and Medicare benefits;
  • They would be released into the community on terms calculated to make sure they remained available for the balance of their visa processing;
  • During the time their visa applications were being processed, they would be required to live in specified regional cities. Any government benefits they received would thus work for the benefit of the regional economy. There are plenty of towns around the country that would welcome an increase in their population.
Let us make some bold assumptions. Let’s assume that the spike in arrivals that we saw in 2012 became the new norm (highly unlikely); and let’s assume that every asylum seeker remained on Centrelink benefits (also highly unlikely: they are highly motivated). It would cost us about $500 million a year. We would save $4.5 billion a year by treating them decently. And the $500 million would be spent in the struggling economies of regional towns and cities.

Not only is Australia wasting vast amounts of money to mistreat refugees, it is damaging its international reputation. While we pride ourselves as a generous, laid-back country that embraces the ideal of a fair go, we are seen overseas as selfish and cruel.

It is a tragedy for Australia that its international reputation is being so damaged.

It is a tragedy that most of us do not realise how badly both major parties are behaving.

It is a tragedy that we are so wantonly damaging people who are brave and motivated and who could make an immense contribution to Australia’s future.
 

dibo

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O'Farrell - gone. Handwritten thank-you note proves he lied to ICAC about not receiving a bottle of wine from Nick di Girolamo. Going on the experience of former Labor MP Karen Paluzzano, will probably face perjury charges. She was convicted and served a period of home detention.

Barry O'Farrell resigns as NSW premier after thankyou card for wine emerges
Premier maintains he had no recollection of the $3,000 gift but accepts there is a thankyou note signed by him
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NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell answers a question after giving evidence at the independent commission against corruption. Photograph: Paul Miller/AAP
Barry O’Farrell has resigned as the New South Wales premier after announcing that a signed thankyou note for a $3,000 bottle of wine would emerge at the Independent Commission Against Corruption (Icac).

The premier maintained he had no recollection of receiving the bottle of Penfolds Grange which the former chief executive of Australian Water Holdings (AWH) Nick Di Girolamo told Icac that he had given as a gift to O’Farrell. But he did “accept that there is a thankyou note signed by me”.


O’Farrell had denied receiving the wine when he gave evidence to Icac on Tuesday.

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Barry O'Farrell's note. Photograph: Twitter
The premier’s decision came after the courier company that allegedly delivered the wine from the headquarters of AWH to O’Farrell’s home was asked to provide documentary evidence to the corruption inquiry.

The prime minister, Tony Abbott, hailed O’Farrell’s resignation as “an act of integrity, an act of honour the like of which we have rarely seen in Australian politics”.

Icac is investigating AWH and the circumstances around its attempt to secure a public-private partnership deal to deliver water infrastructure to Sydney’s north-west. The deal stood to make millions of dollars for people linked to the company, the inquiry has heard, including the former Labor powerbroker Eddie Obeid and Liberal senator Arthur Sinodinos.

Di Girolamo claimed on Tuesday he had sent O’Farrell the wine – from 1959, the year the premier was born – as a gift after the state Liberals won office in March 2011.

On Tuesday, O’Farrell categorically denied receiving the bottle of wine. "If [the wine] had been received I don't believe I would have forgotten it,” he said.

The NSW premier was shown an invoice from the courier company for the delivery of the wine, and a call record from 20 April, 2011, the same day the wine was purchased, showing O’Farrell had contacted Di Girolamo for 28 seconds.

“I don’t know about this phone call, but what I do know is if I’d received a bottle of 1959 Penfold Grange I’d have known about it,” O’Farrell said.

A spokesman for Direct Couriers told Guardian Australia the company had been asked by Icac to provide documents relating to the delivery for a Wednesday morning deadline.
 

Einstein

Well-Known Member
No Dibo, she was found guilty of corruption Mr O'Farrell will not be.
"In a report released this afternoon, the Independent Commission Against Corruption said the former state MP, along with some of her office staff, had knowingly engaged in corrupt conduct by preparing and signing staff forms seeking payment.
ICAC said Ms Paluzzano should be subject to criminal prosecution for "various criminal offences including the common law offence of misconduct in public office, obtaining a valuable thing for herself" and other charges.


One of her charges was misleading the corruption investigators. And unlike O'Farrell .... She acted without integrity...she held on and resigned a day after qualifying for her pension.

From Wiki "On 4 May 2010, Paluzzano stepped down as Parliamentary Secretary for Education and Training.[8] She was subsequently suspended from the Labor Party and resigned from Parliament on 7 May 2010[1][9][10] one day after serving seven years as a Member of Parliament, making her eligible for a parliamentary pension.[11] Her resignation triggered a by-election for her seat, which saw it resoundingly lost to Liberal candidate Stuart Ayres. The swing of 25 percent against Labor was the largest two-party swing against a sitting government in New South Wales history


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/watchdog-recommends-paluzzano-be-prosecuted-20100713-109ir.html#ixzz2z7DzzwjW
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
Paluzzano went down for three counts of making false and misleading statements. O'Farrell has at least one count pretty much chalked up by his own admission, but ICAC hasn't finished yet.

Let's run through what actually happened.

From the Herald:
When asked questions about meetings with Di Girolamo after news broke that the Independent Commission Against Corruption was investigating him, O'Farrell's response was to stonewall.

The opposition pursued him but he downplayed the relationship, declaring he couldn't recall the last time the pair spoke.

It emerged, by his own admission, he had met Di Girolamo on 10 occasions as Premier. But even then O'Farrell chose to not disclose the level of telephone contact, which as the ICAC heard on Tuesday was as frequent as once a fortnight.
Source: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/premier-never-matched-great-expectations-20140416-36se3.html#ixzz2z7zdabm6

Why might he stonewall?

Let's think about the nature of the gift, again from the Herald:

  • He said under oath that if he was given such an expensive gift, with the vintage deliberately matching his birth year, 1959, he would remember. Well, unfortunately, it was exactly that – a fact we now know that he specifically referenced in his hand-written ''thank you'' note to AWH's Nick Di Girolamo.
  • No pun intended, but there are few more liquid assets than Grange Hermitage, given its prestige, its trade-ability and its appreciation potential. People buy it as an investment, sometimes not intending to drink it at all. To that extent, it might be seen as a way of handing someone cash in a less obvious form.
  • If this were a cash gift, say, an envelope containing nearly $3000 tucked into the inside pocket of the Premier's suit jacket by a businessman, it would constitute a bribe – plain and simple – and could result in jail time.
  • The expensive gift was not merely forgotten under oath, it was not declared in the parliamentary register of interests at the time.
Source: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...r-sinodinos-20140416-zqvg7.html#ixzz2z80ocQdS

So he might stonewall because he didn't declare it when he should have. It's not a good look to not declare gifts, but why wouldn't he have declared it? Probably because it's not a good look him to have received such a gift from a lobbyist whose firm was a major donor to his political party and who he was going to meet to discuss potential business between the firm and the state of NSW within the next month.

That smells.

What smells more is that this firm was (at the time) chaired by Arthur Sinodinos, who was also the Treasurer of Barry O'Farrell's NSW Liberal Party at the time *and* that AWH was charging ludicrous expenses to the state of NSW *and* trading near insolvency *and* donating sums to the Liberal Party (that Sinodinos seems to be unable to remember either in his capacity as Chairman of AWH or Treasurer of the NSW Liberals).

Let's make one thing perfectly clear - had this been $3,000 in a brown envelope from a CFMEU official to a bikie, there'd be hell to pay. But a lavishly expensive bottle of wine from a lobbyist to the Premier? Apparently if he quits that's the honourable thing.

Give me a break.

The fact that Eddie Obeid's family is right in the middle of this only reinforces my suspicion. It's not just a 'lie down with dogs, get fleas' situation, the guy is radioactive. Everything that guy touches is deadly. He's going to take down plenty more people on the Labor and Liberal sides before someone does the smart thing and cases him in lead and concrete and fires him into the sun.

O'Farrell seems to have chosen to be 'economical' with the truth at every point. Resigning as Premier means he's not in front of the press on a daily basis fending off questions, but his resignation is no protection against further questions from ICAC. What's more, if he chooses to be less economical with the truth and starts dropping bombs on people, this could move even faster than the last 36 hours have.
 
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