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How A-League clubs plan to run the A-League.
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The maths does not add up for the population size, you can not compare US sports to Aust sports. Say 1m viewers at $10 a month, that is not paying for much at all. Small country so we have to pay overs. If we don’t pay there is no HAL.
Antlion
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The announcement of the in principle agreement to grant the A-League independence from the FFA has been met with a variety of sentiments.
While many who have championed the cause for some time now claim to see rays of hope on the horizon, there are others with grave fears for the league. Particularly when the practicalities of the new arrangement eventually become reality.
In essence, the A-League needed guidance and child minding at birth. Very few would question that. However, as time passed it become apparent that the competition was very much attached to the apron strings of the FFA and heading nowhere.
That is not to say that the standard of A-League football played was not of a respectful and watchable standard, far from the case. However, the rate of improvement in it compared to the substantial and sustained growth occurring in other Asian Confederation nations would eventually necessitate the formation of the New Leagues Working Group (NLWG).
Thus began the grapple of dialogue between the new body and FFA, as both sought to achieve an advantageous outcome.
With A-League franchises desperate for a loosening of the purse strings and self-determination within the domestic setting, the clubs now appear to have received that assurance.
The commercial reality of the agreement is a potentially significantly increased piece of the financial pie for the A-League clubs, as well as full and perpetual control over their intellectual property.
While the FFA maintains its overarching governance role and continues to administrate national teams and grassroots football via its portion of revenue from the game, the agreement announcement used a key and decisive phrase when it came to the newly created distance between the FFA and an independent A-League.
Unimpeded control.
It is a poignant choice of words and one that could eliminate many of the restrictions that have hampered Australian football over the last decade.
The idea of the A, W and Y-Leagues advancing unfettered is both an appealing and scary proposition.
No doubt, clubs will find themselves in a somewhat conflicted space and take a self-serving approach to the upcoming negotiations, as the finer details of the agreement are decided.
They would indeed be mad if they did not, however the broader and structural changes required to improve Australian football as a whole will also be forefront in their minds.
The implementation of transfer fees, removal of the salary cap and an eventual move to full promotion and relegation are easy things to support and champion. However, when push comes to proverbial shove, there will be undoubted financial winners and losers when the new structures are put in place.
The notion of an A-League club agreeing to moves that in fact weaken its position and long-term viability in the competition is an unlikely one. The natural by-product of that will be rigorous debate and those clubs bullish about independence will attempt to persuade the more conservative members to come along for the ride.
That bullishness proving profitable to all is a best-case scenario for the league, yet perhaps idealistic at the same time. The diametrically opposed doomsday narrative sees another A-League club (or two) on the scrapheap at some stage in the future.
If that scrap heap becomes a second tier of professional competition then perhaps natural attrition will be used to validate the fall and maybe that is exactly what is required.
The ruthlessness of professional sport appears shortly to arrive in Australian football and casualties are likely to emerge. However, it is time for the A-League to let go of mummy’s hand and take a shot at existence without restrictive captivity.
There is no doubt that the playing field will be vastly different across the A-League clubs. The eternal questions around the survival of the Central Coast Mariners and Wellington Phoenix will remain.
The challenges for both Western United and Macarthur FC as new franchises will also be considerable, as they attempt to attract a following and build an identity in their local communities.
All the while the so-called big clubs will attract suspicion and concern, with many certain of the fact that the benefits of access to a broader corporate dollar in a big city will undoubtedly see them flourish at the expense of smaller clubs.
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And maybe that is exactly what Australian football needs; a competition more closely aligned with leagues around the world. Leagues where success breeds a growth that leads to further achievement, where teams tumble and fall and others excel.
The coming month of detailed decision making will determine just who those clubs will be as the new independent league takes shape. It will make for some heated debate, with some clubs anticipating a boon and others fearful of disaster.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/07/02/an-independent-a-league-who-will-the-casualties-be/
While many who have championed the cause for some time now claim to see rays of hope on the horizon, there are others with grave fears for the league. Particularly when the practicalities of the new arrangement eventually become reality.
In essence, the A-League needed guidance and child minding at birth. Very few would question that. However, as time passed it become apparent that the competition was very much attached to the apron strings of the FFA and heading nowhere.
That is not to say that the standard of A-League football played was not of a respectful and watchable standard, far from the case. However, the rate of improvement in it compared to the substantial and sustained growth occurring in other Asian Confederation nations would eventually necessitate the formation of the New Leagues Working Group (NLWG).
Thus began the grapple of dialogue between the new body and FFA, as both sought to achieve an advantageous outcome.
With A-League franchises desperate for a loosening of the purse strings and self-determination within the domestic setting, the clubs now appear to have received that assurance.
The commercial reality of the agreement is a potentially significantly increased piece of the financial pie for the A-League clubs, as well as full and perpetual control over their intellectual property.
While the FFA maintains its overarching governance role and continues to administrate national teams and grassroots football via its portion of revenue from the game, the agreement announcement used a key and decisive phrase when it came to the newly created distance between the FFA and an independent A-League.
Unimpeded control.
It is a poignant choice of words and one that could eliminate many of the restrictions that have hampered Australian football over the last decade.
The idea of the A, W and Y-Leagues advancing unfettered is both an appealing and scary proposition.
No doubt, clubs will find themselves in a somewhat conflicted space and take a self-serving approach to the upcoming negotiations, as the finer details of the agreement are decided.
They would indeed be mad if they did not, however the broader and structural changes required to improve Australian football as a whole will also be forefront in their minds.
The implementation of transfer fees, removal of the salary cap and an eventual move to full promotion and relegation are easy things to support and champion. However, when push comes to proverbial shove, there will be undoubted financial winners and losers when the new structures are put in place.
The notion of an A-League club agreeing to moves that in fact weaken its position and long-term viability in the competition is an unlikely one. The natural by-product of that will be rigorous debate and those clubs bullish about independence will attempt to persuade the more conservative members to come along for the ride.
That bullishness proving profitable to all is a best-case scenario for the league, yet perhaps idealistic at the same time. The diametrically opposed doomsday narrative sees another A-League club (or two) on the scrapheap at some stage in the future.
If that scrap heap becomes a second tier of professional competition then perhaps natural attrition will be used to validate the fall and maybe that is exactly what is required.
The ruthlessness of professional sport appears shortly to arrive in Australian football and casualties are likely to emerge. However, it is time for the A-League to let go of mummy’s hand and take a shot at existence without restrictive captivity.
There is no doubt that the playing field will be vastly different across the A-League clubs. The eternal questions around the survival of the Central Coast Mariners and Wellington Phoenix will remain.
The challenges for both Western United and Macarthur FC as new franchises will also be considerable, as they attempt to attract a following and build an identity in their local communities.
All the while the so-called big clubs will attract suspicion and concern, with many certain of the fact that the benefits of access to a broader corporate dollar in a big city will undoubtedly see them flourish at the expense of smaller clubs.
Advertisement
And maybe that is exactly what Australian football needs; a competition more closely aligned with leagues around the world. Leagues where success breeds a growth that leads to further achievement, where teams tumble and fall and others excel.
The coming month of detailed decision making will determine just who those clubs will be as the new independent league takes shape. It will make for some heated debate, with some clubs anticipating a boon and others fearful of disaster.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/07/02/an-independent-a-league-who-will-the-casualties-be/
VicMariner
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That seems like a foreign language post..
Aus football is held back by the State Feds and the federal administration, currently the FFA.
We have been shooting ourselves in the groin, balls and head since day one!
...But we put up with it?????
Australian football administration has been the greatest impediment to the growth of football in this country since I can remember.
We need someone who puts the game before everything else.......can anyone name anyone better than Bonita Mersiades?
Aus football is held back by the State Feds and the federal administration, currently the FFA.
We have been shooting ourselves in the groin, balls and head since day one!
...But we put up with it?????
Australian football administration has been the greatest impediment to the growth of football in this country since I can remember.
We need someone who puts the game before everything else.......can anyone name anyone better than Bonita Mersiades?
pjennings
Well-Known Member
Not sure where to put this but this seems as good a place as any - a report on another site of a Western United meeting
Friendlies in Ballarat, Geelong and West Melbourne (Caroline Springs) from mid August through to late September.
The stadium will be 15,000 capacity and they’re still saying it will be ready for season 3. Is future proofed for something like 4-6 thousand extra seats if expansion is necessary.
The stadium will have safe standing for active support and has the steepest stands in the country.
The train station will be 500m away from the ground but won’t be ready until after the stadium is built.
Flagged car parking and roads as an issue in the early days of the stadium. The road won’t be able to handle the traffics well and parking an issue. The short term solution is to have people park at hubs in surrounding suburbs and run shuttle buses. There will also be temporary sort of gravel parking at the ground. The train station and the construction of a 2,000 vehicle capacity multi story car park near the station are hoped to be long term solutions.
Kardina Park for 8-9 games, Mars Stadium 2-3 games. Left open the possibility of returning to Kardina Park for big games even after the stadium is built but they may have just been trying to appease the room as the meeting was held in Geelong.
Membership prices range from $75 to $600. Match day tickets will be $20. $195 for a full season adult GA membership and $300 for a premium reserved seat.
Memberships to be available in late July.
There is an an option to pay an extra $95~ to become a foundation member. This will effectively act as a down payment that will be refunded when the stadium built that guarantees you a reserved seat. The logic is that they’ll only have 10,000~ memberships available and if demand is greater than supply they want to give the foundation members first crack at purchasing one.
Kits for sale arrive August 10th.
Club won’t be using Geelong’s rooms when playing at Kardina Park. Was hinted that the Kardina Park Trust aren’t treating Western United particularly well.
The membership packs will be ‘sustainable’. Recyclable membership cards and shopping bags included. You will also get a cap and a fridge magnet but the packs are a work in process.
A-League team October 2019, Y-League team at November 2020, W-League team at first possible opportunity. Still considering if and what kind of involvement the club would like to have with the NPL.
Will have boys and girls academies from u9s up.
Will wear the home kit for all games home and away unless there is a clash, in which case the alternate strip will be worn.
The kit’s badge is three dimensional on the shirt and made out of a rubber like material. Looks very nice.
Room was full. Maybe 200 in attendance.
Rudan seemed a bit all over the place. Saying in an answer to one question that his team’s first focus is defence, and to another that attack is the main priority. Seemed to put way less emphasis and play down the idea of him establishing a culture and style that will run through the club’s side, whilst other speakers talked this aspect up.
Club is only planning to sign three more players and these may not necessarily be foreigners.
Friendlies in Ballarat, Geelong and West Melbourne (Caroline Springs) from mid August through to late September.
The stadium will be 15,000 capacity and they’re still saying it will be ready for season 3. Is future proofed for something like 4-6 thousand extra seats if expansion is necessary.
The stadium will have safe standing for active support and has the steepest stands in the country.
The train station will be 500m away from the ground but won’t be ready until after the stadium is built.
Flagged car parking and roads as an issue in the early days of the stadium. The road won’t be able to handle the traffics well and parking an issue. The short term solution is to have people park at hubs in surrounding suburbs and run shuttle buses. There will also be temporary sort of gravel parking at the ground. The train station and the construction of a 2,000 vehicle capacity multi story car park near the station are hoped to be long term solutions.
Kardina Park for 8-9 games, Mars Stadium 2-3 games. Left open the possibility of returning to Kardina Park for big games even after the stadium is built but they may have just been trying to appease the room as the meeting was held in Geelong.
Membership prices range from $75 to $600. Match day tickets will be $20. $195 for a full season adult GA membership and $300 for a premium reserved seat.
Memberships to be available in late July.
There is an an option to pay an extra $95~ to become a foundation member. This will effectively act as a down payment that will be refunded when the stadium built that guarantees you a reserved seat. The logic is that they’ll only have 10,000~ memberships available and if demand is greater than supply they want to give the foundation members first crack at purchasing one.
Kits for sale arrive August 10th.
Club won’t be using Geelong’s rooms when playing at Kardina Park. Was hinted that the Kardina Park Trust aren’t treating Western United particularly well.
The membership packs will be ‘sustainable’. Recyclable membership cards and shopping bags included. You will also get a cap and a fridge magnet but the packs are a work in process.
A-League team October 2019, Y-League team at November 2020, W-League team at first possible opportunity. Still considering if and what kind of involvement the club would like to have with the NPL.
Will have boys and girls academies from u9s up.
Will wear the home kit for all games home and away unless there is a clash, in which case the alternate strip will be worn.
The kit’s badge is three dimensional on the shirt and made out of a rubber like material. Looks very nice.
Room was full. Maybe 200 in attendance.
Rudan seemed a bit all over the place. Saying in an answer to one question that his team’s first focus is defence, and to another that attack is the main priority. Seemed to put way less emphasis and play down the idea of him establishing a culture and style that will run through the club’s side, whilst other speakers talked this aspect up.
Club is only planning to sign three more players and these may not necessarily be foreigners.
Interesting, won't that give them a very defence heavy squad?
pjennings
Well-Known Member
Current squad
2 Keepers
James Delianov
Filip Kurto (visa)
8 defenders
Jonathan Aspro
Aaron Calver
Andrew Durante (visa)
Ersan Gülüm (visa)
Brendan Hamill
Dylan Pierias
Josh Risdon
Ivan Vujica
5 midfielders
Max Burgess
Connor Chapman
Joshua Cavallo
Panagiotis Kone (visa)
Sebastian Pasquali
4 attackers
Scott McDonald
Connor Pain
Apostolos Stamatelopoulos
Valentino Yuel
2 Keepers
James Delianov
Filip Kurto (visa)
8 defenders
Jonathan Aspro
Aaron Calver
Andrew Durante (visa)
Ersan Gülüm (visa)
Brendan Hamill
Dylan Pierias
Josh Risdon
Ivan Vujica
5 midfielders
Max Burgess
Connor Chapman
Joshua Cavallo
Panagiotis Kone (visa)
Sebastian Pasquali
4 attackers
Scott McDonald
Connor Pain
Apostolos Stamatelopoulos
Valentino Yuel
FFC Mariner
Well-Known Member
From the BBC - interesting interview with Tony Sage who claims that the FFA take 70% of all revenue generated.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48971764
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48971764
Insertnamehere
Well-Known Member
Dunno how sage reckons we can take on 4 teams from asia...
Pirate Pete
Well-Known Member
The man who helped turn the English Premier League into a worldwide commercial behemoth has officially joined the push to save the A-League.
The Sydney Morning Herald can reveal that Richard Scudamore, who headed up the Premier League for nearly two decades, has been installed as a "special advisor" to the A-League clubs and competition boss Greg O'Rourke.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer...igns-on-to-help-a-league-20191015-p530x8.html
The Sydney Morning Herald can reveal that Richard Scudamore, who headed up the Premier League for nearly two decades, has been installed as a "special advisor" to the A-League clubs and competition boss Greg O'Rourke.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer...igns-on-to-help-a-league-20191015-p530x8.html
pjennings
Well-Known Member
Reports that the Chinese owner of the Newcastle Jets, Martin Lee, would like to sell the team after running short of money due to his Ledman Optoelectronic Group being hit by the trade war with the US - under the new HAL how will this work.
Does the Newcastle license have to stay in Newcastle? Can Canberra *the next identified" put in a bid for it and move the license to Canberra?
TBH I want to be adding teams - not moving them.
Does the Newcastle license have to stay in Newcastle? Can Canberra *the next identified" put in a bid for it and move the license to Canberra?
TBH I want to be adding teams - not moving them.
marinermick
Well-Known Member
The day there is no Newcastle team is the day the A-League dies.
Allowing relocation would open a can of worms for all involved and I'd rather it stay closed, not just for our sake. It would potentially increase the value of a franchise but how do you regulate where it can move to? How can you allow one owner to sell/move but not another? Or you can sell but not to that guy?
Some would cheer ditching a team like CCM, Nix, Newcastle but does that mean Southern Expansion can simply buy their way in to Sydney's backyard? How does the league feel about the Bakries leaving QLD without a team if they bail out? Or more Kiwi or even Asian teams buying their way in? IMO the message to owners has to be make it work where you are anything else means the system will be played, like maybe minimum spend to run a team in to the ground to encourage others to support a sale
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Some would cheer ditching a team like CCM, Nix, Newcastle but does that mean Southern Expansion can simply buy their way in to Sydney's backyard? How does the league feel about the Bakries leaving QLD without a team if they bail out? Or more Kiwi or even Asian teams buying their way in? IMO the message to owners has to be make it work where you are anything else means the system will be played, like maybe minimum spend to run a team in to the ground to encourage others to support a sale
.Insertnamehere
Well-Known Member
Said it before the league needs small market teams. You can't just have capital city teams.
Capn Gus Bloodbeard
Well-Known Member
Agreed - and we need more of them; problem is, it's always going to be hard to make a financial argument for including another small market team over another city based team.
But MCY proves that just because a team is based in a city it doesn't necessarily mean they'll rake in the money.
I think City proves the need for identity and natural rivalries. If I moved to Melbourne tomorrow there's no clear you live in X you should support Y. WU at least have a territory even if it seems half baked and a bit late to the party. Team 11 would have had an identity out that way but Heart/City is kind of just "well we're not Victory" which is a hard sell when Victory have been consistently decent for a while.
Capn Gus Bloodbeard
Well-Known Member
Yep. The 3 sydney teams will have a grear 3-way rivalry but you're right about City's lack of identity. I can understand people not wanting to be part of Victory but it isn't enough.
And with no home for a few years, WU are just a waste.
Insertnamehere
Well-Known Member
Depends on what tac the league wants to take. I'm for the MLS way. Where the league goes we want a team here and here. Bring us your best offers.
There's been a stream of metrics for the best locations so it's not like its a secret.
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