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Don’t know why you guys didn’t think of this. Could have put those flags to good use.
Is the pod equipment broken? Or just had enough of the season like many others?
Hey guys, did you end up doing a podcast this week?
Great post FP.I'm half way through Shaun's interview on the pod, enjoying it as ever – except for that French nonsense – but I'm pretty confused by Shaun's statement re the justification of not spending the cap as had been stated for this year...
Shaun you said you would come on here to clear up any further questions, so would be grateful if you could address the following:
You said do the math on I think was is 3000 less fans @ average profit of 20$ each x 3 games so 180K? Do I have this right? maybe I need to re listen to what you said. Can someone confirm for me?
If so, then 180K was the differential on us actually spending the cap this year? If not what will our actual shortfall of the salary cap be this year?
I'm also wondering how much the Kubi sale and the dismissal of Adsrubal's might have offset that?
That aside, as flat and stale as the league clearly is now, with a lot less WSW fans obviously travelling, I still also agree with Erin (and people like Bikin Girl and others on here) in that there's no way if we hadn't been performing better (ie had a couple of additional desperately needed quality players) our crowds would not have been better and those losses at least somewhat mitigated? I just personally know and have seen too many people being strongly affected by our continued struggles this year. And also most people on here would have to be full of it. It's been straw and camel stuff that I'm seeing/hearing from people.
And now for the remaining 3 home games, you'd have to expect we'll probably be down a couple of thousand per game (Might be a deal more if we were having a great run instead of a poor one) so that's 120K revenue lost based on the seemingly avoidable downturn of our fortunes? Then of course there's surely the longer term damage being done by perpetually not performing?
After so long awaiting improvement on field while we pay our money, game after game, year after year, to mostly watch loss after loss... I believed (and advocated for) Mike and the club when you apologised for the austerity measures but stated why it was necessary and how it would be turned around and understood how hard it had been in the interim etc... But seeing now that no matter what the club may have said or planned and how badly the supporters/paying customers may need a bit of silver lining with their 4 years of cloud, that as soon as the budget lags once again the player wages will do all the heavy lifting to balance it... and what that means is that everyone is consigned to another season of heartache and those who have bought memberships and or persuaded others that "no this year will be different" are made to look and feel very foolish and disheartened.
I can only assume our ownership, investors and sponsors were unable or unwilling to respond to this budget challenge? Which is an enormous shame when it was so apparent to I think anyone who knows football, that we just needed a little more of a leg up to get over that tipping point and finally become worth the price of admission again. It's been a body blow to a very long and patiently suffering supporter base and I'd like to know Shaun why people should keep the faith? And I'm not trying to be a prick here. Help me out please. Because I've fought bloody hard to create ongoing good will and belief in this club with all the people I know in the community, and I support it year after year, but I'm truly out of answers. And others are clearly out of patience, and out of love...
Great post FP.
To me it's as simple as this.
The product quality has declined (considerably) due to cheaper and lower quality components.
Customer satisfaction has dropped markedly.
Fewer customers are/we be willing to buy the product any longer.
Cheaper components were used to cut costs. We're now seeing fewer sales. Sales drop, revenue drops, need to cut further costs...
Seems a pretty clear mistake to continue to lower the quality of the product to make more sales.
Then again I'm not in business. Can someone who is point out what I'm missing?
My exact thought when Shaun said that... I can see why there's a clear impact, income/cost, and I know that the club is struggling financially but at some point we might have to come back to spending money to earn etc. etc. and I think that time might be now, considering the level of impact that we're seeing now.
For me it was never delivered as we will spend in January if the crowds are as budgeted.
It was yes we will spend and there was some signs of we will sign in January if we can, however I thought that was more if we are in the top 6 I’ll buy you a good player to compete for the title if it’s going well, not that is the difference between a cap floor team and the full cap.
The week off may have lead to a more positive pod but I expect full blown anger this week.
Not even 2 weeks off would make me forget that dribble just served up. The boys went to water.
Who’s fault? Bad coaching, bad players?
Was the dumbest football you will see from the team with the extra player and had the ref as well in the 1st half.
While we scored two goals they weren’t from open play again.
Our second most expensive player was Asdrubal, if the gamble on him actually paid off with goals we'd be sitting a bit prettier on the table and in the stands I think.
Relatively we spent a bit of coin on him, then we were holding out for a visa player during the January transfer with the coin that 'should' have come in during the first half of the season.
The players should go back to the bay ans let us have a kick against the nix.
We might loose but we will bloody try