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Choppers want a hold on the 12 team

midfielder

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Massive NEWS from the Choppers ... This is a thread in itself

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/a-league/ffa-must-hold-off-western-sydney-bid-say-sky-blues/2009/08/26/1251001943878.html

SYDNEY FC have told Football Federation Australia to delay its push to admit a 12th A-League team, in western Sydney, until the governing body can prove a sustainable financial model exists.

The Sky Blues have fought a continuing battle to win the hearts and minds of the city's sports fans since they arrived in 2005, though the momentum created by their stunning arrival - yielding a championship and record-breaking crowds - has not been sustained in subsequent years.

Despite this, the FFA remains committed to expanding into western Sydney as soon as possible, embedding the club before the AFL can plant a team in the region.

The FFA's board met on Monday night with the intention of awarding a licence to one of the three competing western Sydney bids but could not reach a satisfactory conclusion, instead holding over a decision until next month.

Sydney FC chief executive Stefan Kamasz applauded the decision, telling the Herald the introduction of a second team into the Sydney market could cause considerable problems if done at an inappropriate time.

''Down the track we believe it is beneficial for the game but what we've said to the FFA is that until the club can be feasible in all forms, we're not sure this is the right time,'' Kamasz said. ''As everyone knows, none of the clubs are making profits year in, year out. Central Coast and Melbourne might have made a small profit the year before last, but now everybody's losing money. That means the business isn't right yet.

''What we're saying is that once the business model is right, then it doesn't matter about [the negatives of] a second team, because there are lots of benefits. We're just concerned that if a team were to come in next year, it'd be too early.''

Sydney FC have tried to position themselves as a club for the entire Sydney region but the game's governing body would like to see the Sky Blues begin concentrating their efforts on aligning themselves with the southern, eastern and northern portions of the city. While the club remains committed to representing the whole of Sydney for now, they accept a second team would cause a natural shift in their marketing focus.

''We know it's an option and one we've already considered, but for now, because we're the the only team, we've chosen to continue spreading our tentacles right across Sydney,'' Kamasz said. ''We haven't condensed our community work and just concentrated on the north shore and the eastern suburbs and the southern districts. We need to continue to go out to the community because we know where our members come from and they're spread right over Sydney.''

Asked if he was worried about losing supporters to the new franchise, Kamasz said it was a legitimate concern. ''I'm quite sure there are people who have supported us in the past that may well become western Sydney supporters but that is why it's important for us to make sure we continue our community work across the city,'' he said.

''There may be some existing Sydney fans who choose to travel and watch the new team, whether they be based at Homebush or Parramatta or Penrith. But whether they continue to follow us, I'm not sure. We'll only know in time.''

However, Kamasz is convinced that a major benefit of having second team in the area would be the resulting derby matches. ''The three games between the two Sydney teams will be blockbusters, I've got absolutely no doubt about that in my mind,'' he said. ''There's no doubt the cross-city rivalry will be terrific for the code when it does happen.''
 

midfielder

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Surprising but not unexpected.. SFC have failed in a city with over 175, 000 players to get  fans .. they should sell out each week ...

Imagine 175, 000 players...  12 former NSL teams... home of about 40% of the Socceroos ... yet they totally stuffed up the marketing ... the location of the side and many things that have been talked about...

A well run WS team would cream them... crowds wise ... also do the FFA totally trust old NSL folk in the WS bid ....... HMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm

Time will tell .... but very very interesting....
 

curious

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Massive news? Just a bit of natural self interest and fear from SFC that will be given no credence  by the FFA. Lowey is one of the old nsl folk himself btw.
 

clarence

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Sydney FC have been 'shambolic' - to put it nicely - in much of their 4 - 5 years of operation.

I do believe, however, that they have a stronger management team now at the helm, and the crowds will come back once the team puts some consistent results up.

I was quite surprised at the level of preparation and consistency in the first game or two of Sydney's but we proved they can be halted dead in their tracks and reduced to a lesser style of game by purely putting up a  brick wall defence and blocking out their wide people. So the next couple of games will be crucial as to which Sydney we will be seeing for much of the season.

I agree with curious that it is purely their own self interest that the news has hit the media about their reservations.

TBF to anyone following up with an FFA licence in the future, there is no complete model of sustainability for football clubs, particularly in Australia, and ESPECIALLY in the A-League (being so new).

About all the FFA & Syndicates can do is some market research about their region of interest, some cold hard facts about how much money they'll need to be competitive & a lot of hope that their marketing strategy works and they attract some crowds.

There was no financial model when the A-League started, but they ran with the best applicants anyway.

To start introducing new models that syndicates must hop through to meet some scared club's aspirations is ridiculous.

Sydney FC have had 5 years to embrace the biggest Football market in Australia and they haven't lived up to the hype they put out themselves or devised a decent strategy to engage the community at large or entrench itself into the fabric of the Sydney scene. They are still very much a club that's based in Sydney, rather than a Sydney club in the A-League.
 

dibo

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Haven't Sydney been doing a Swans and hexing any talk of a second team from day one? I don't think this is massive news, it's just that they're getting more strident by the day in their opposition.
 

clarence

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dibo said:
Haven't Sydney been doing a Swans and hexing any talk of a second team from day one? I don't think this is massive news, it's just that they're getting more strident by the day in their opposition.

I guess they maybe more fervent now that the time for them to have any say in future applicants in the Sydney area, draws to a close. ATM, don't they enjoy an exclusivity clause for Sydney, which will expire after season 5?
 

dibo

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Indeedy they do, and our exclusivity clause ends then too.

ZOMG - a Wyong team is a near certainty! Central Coast Derby ahoy! Let's smash those filthy illiterate northeners! Narara hools reprazent - the Deane Street Elite rides tonight!
 

clarence

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dibo said:
Indeedy they do, and our exclusivity clause ends then too.

ZOMG - a Wyong team is a near certainty! Central Coast Derby ahoy! Let's smash those filthy illiterate northeners! Narara hools reprazent - the Deane Street Elite rides tonight!

WTF? The Mariners have stakes in both camps on the Central Coast, Dibo.

They are planning to put their CoFE in the Wyong Shire (Tuggerah) while they have their main playing stadium in Gosford Council (Bluetongue), so they appear diplomatically widespread in this respect. ::) :innocent:

Hasn't the BSE sorted out that Narara mob yet? ;) ;D
 

dibo

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Beware the green shoots growing beneath our feet!

Anyhoo, us DSE types are immune to mad cow disease on account of being helicopters.
 

Jerem

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FFA i think should look south to the gong
i would love to see a wolves esque team form,
noting that a fair swathe of mariners came from there
 

midfielder

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Bling / Flying Circus / Choppers ... have failed and want more time Boo WOOO  ... the AFL are playing to move into WS ... Just because the Choppers Fooked Up does not mean the whole league has to be held back...
 

David Votoupal

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I have wanted a 2nd Sydney team all along, and I also believe such a team could also be a good thing for Sydney FC as it will force them to raise their game.

Let's face it. The one team per city model doesn't work.
 

clarence

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David Votoupal said:
I have wanted a 2nd Sydney team all along, and I also believe such a team could also be a good thing for Sydney FC as it will force them to raise their game.

Let's face it. The one team per city model doesn't work.

Tell Melbourne Victory that! ???
 

Arabmariner

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A West Sydney team wont take anything away from the bling imo.

They pull very few fans from the area and the fans they do have wont jump ship because you just don't.

The bling have had their chance to woo Western Sydney and failed miserably.Time to give someone else a chance.There's too many football fans in the area not attending games atm.

If there was no CCM I wonder how many of us would have followed the bling ?

Not many I'll bet.
 

dibo

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Arabmariner said:
A West Sydney team wont take anything away from the bling imo.

They pull very few fans from the area and the fans they do have wont jump ship because you just dont.

The bling have had their chance to woo Western Sydney and failed miserably.Time to give someone else a chance.There's too many football fans in the area not attending games atm.

If there was no CCM I wonder how many of us would have followed the bling ?

Not many I'll bet.

i would have, but that's cos i wanted to support the a-league no matter what (and i live 10 times closer to their ground than ours).
 

Nik Mrdjas Disco Bikkie

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Midfielder - been wondering for a while, what the hell is with the Choppers? You always use it but never heard it catch on with anyone else, whats it all about?
 

clarence

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Grunta said:
Midfielder - been wondering for a while, what the hell is with the Choppers? You always use it but never heard it catch on with anyone else, whats it all about?

I'd take a guess and say it stems from the infamous 4-5 match where there was a lot of hacking the minute Danny got sent from the field and Heff ended up with a broken leg?
 

David Votoupal

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Tribal rivalry is the lifeblood of football everywhere, so why must this league be any different? There's nothing like cross-town rivalry anywhere.
 

midfielder

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clarence said:
Grunta said:
Midfielder - been wondering for a while, what the hell is with the Choppers? You always use it but never heard it catch on with anyone else, whats it all about?

I'd take a guess and say it stems from the infamous 4-5 match where there was a lot of hacking the minute Danny got sent from the field and Heff ended up with a broken leg?

In one Clarence ... who can forget that night ... leading with ease at 2 - Nil with Kossie and his gang needing a win to stay in the finals race ... Danny sent off when in most peoples eyes it was a yellow... But that night we had 3 players carried off on stretchers and Heff leg shattered and he lost his Socceroo spot and has never fully recovered IMO... When Heff had his leg shattered Huff screams at Breeze and got carded and arguably one of the worst tackles I have ever seen is not punished and as Breeze saw it no action was taken by the FFA... Clarky stayed on despite his head covered in blood soaked bandages two players sent off Tommy P on one leg ... Be under no illusion Kossie sent his gang out to kick the shit of us all night... and I don't think we ever recovered in Hal 3 from the battering Kossie gang of shit kickers did to us that night ...Also the rub in the grand final if Heff had been in the side he would have run down Bridge and that grand final goal may not have come so easily... that Breeze was even allowed back on a football field is a joke ........ 

Hope that answers your question and why I call the Flying Circus the CHOPPERS
 

dibo

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David Votoupal said:
Tribal rivalry is the lifeblood of football everywhere, so why must this league be any different? There's nothing like cross-town rivalry anywhere.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but clearly the statement

David Votoupal said:
Let's face it. The one team per city model doesn't work.

can't be supported. In the case of Melbourne it clearly does OK and there's nothing that suggests it's anything less than functional anywhere else.

That *Sydney* could well benefit from a second team doesn't automatically make a one team town a bad idea. I think it's a better idea in Sydney than it is in Melbourne, but the success of Melbourne means that bidders are lining up but in Sydney it's not so great so the serious bidders are all elsewhere.

In Sydney's case, I think they'll grow the pie, but in Melbourne I'm not so sure. Sydney's also getting involved in local community football to a far greater degree than in the past too, so that will help SFC regardless - see here.
 

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