CCM Boys conquering the world

[Allreet?]

Kwas did some outrageously brilliant things at times but if I had a dollar for every time I screamed at him to cut back to any of several unmarked team mates, instead of shooting from an impossible angle...

I'd have fourteen dollars.

 

[Michael]

Was lucky enough to have Kwas as a coach for a few years, absolute legend. Hilarious guy. Anytime there was banter about someone scoring a tap in he’d reply “I made a career off tap ins”

 

[Allreet?]

Kwas was pretty decent with his time also when I interviewed him for my Lawrie bio (and was quite funny). As were Alex Tobin, Hutch, the Heff and a few others.

 

[priorpeter]

Thought he was still in a karaoke booth in Ibiza tbh

https://x.com/liversedge_fc/status/1749892307694891146?s=46&t=PJQpVd1Ifev8Q9bcKJ6_lw

 

[Insertnamehere]

Thought he was still in a karaoke booth in Ibiza tbh

https://x.com/liversedge_fc/status/1749892307694891146?s=46&t=PJQpVd1Ifev8Q9bcKJ6_lw

Lololololol. Fat rat can't off the dance floor

 

[Ironbark]

Bolton Wanderers, Sunderland deal in January could work for both parties: View

Bolton Wanderers are set for a busy end to the January transfer window, and Nectarios Triantis could be a player that they eye up

footballleagueworld.co.uk

 

[Michael]

Bolton Wanderers, Sunderland deal in January could work for both parties: View

Bolton Wanderers are set for a busy end to the January transfer window, and Nectarios Triantis could be a player that they eye up

footballleagueworld.co.uk

He needs to play, needs to gain experience in a league where defenders have a lot to do. Hopefully the loan happens.

 

[Insertnamehere]

He needs to play, needs to gain experience in a league where defenders have a lot to do. Hopefully the loan happens.

Think we can agree, its another move that was a season too soon.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

Think we can agree, its another move that was a season too soon.

The context of "too soon" has changed over the last decade or so.

In football terms it's too soon in the sense that none of the young players are ready to walk in to a starting lineup at a decent level, with many of them barely having played a full game in the a league (arzani, garang, irankunda).

But the money for the club is too good to knock back and the wages these guys are now capable of commanding is life-changing. You can understand why they jump as soon as possible.

 

[Insertnamehere]

The context of "too soon" has changed over the last decade or so.

In football terms it's too soon in the sense that none of the young players are ready to walk in to a starting lineup at a decent level, with many of them barely having played a full game in the a league (arzani, garang, irankunda).

But the money for the club is too good to knock back and the wages these guys are now capable of commanding is life-changing. You can understand why they jump as soon as possible.

Absolutely agree. But its short termism. I get the fear of second year syndrome and cashing in while your stocks are the highest. What we see is most of their careers stall and they don't hit their ceiling. Its more a selfishness for wanting the roos to have the option for the best possibly players.

 

[Coastalraider]

Absolutely agree. But its short termism. I get the fear of second year syndrome and cashing in while your stocks are the highest. What we see is most of their careers stall and they don't hit their ceiling. It’s more a selfishness for wanting the roos to have the option for the best possibly players.

History is littered with players who only had one good year, got a career ending injury, or went through a recovery and never hit the same heights as before.

Each of these players has been offered ‘set yourself for life’ money and I do t begrudge them one moment djr taking it - it’s a damn short term career.

It’s not like the real world where you have 40-50 years of career progression, at best you get 15 years, at worst you end up in the scrap heap with a dodgy acl.

You have to take it while it’s there.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

Absolutely agree. But its short termism. I get the fear of second year syndrome and cashing in while your stocks are the highest. What we see is most of their careers stall and they don't hit their ceiling. Its more a selfishness for wanting the roos to have the option for the best possibly players.

It's all about the $$$.

You look at the golden generation and with the exception of a few they all made good careers in the NSL and then kicked on, a good portion of them having made the national team. Even the likes of mooy had to come back here and play a-league before he was really ready for his European career to take off.

But it's easier to stay here a few years longer when you are talking about going from $100k a year to 3-400k. Going from <100k a year to 30k a week is a much different story.

And transfer fees means the clubs have no choice but to sell. Viduka went to Zagreb for a couple of hundred grand and irankunda is getting 3 mill. What would he be in today's money. It's mind boggling as there is no way irankunda even ties his laces.

 

[Big Al]

Just because he isn’t playing doesn’t mean it’s to early. He has gone to a high league and is making the bench. It’s not like he is buried in the squad.

CB’s don’t get subbed like attackers so opportunities are less and if you make a mistake or two you are crucified unlike and attacker who can get away with a bad pass or shit shot etc.

He is still young and while playing would be better training at that level is also good. He just needs an opportunity and keep working. Expectations to just walk in to these teams are a bit to high

Hatty Soutar can’t get minutes in the same league

 

[Michael]

Think we can agree, its another move that was a season too soon.

100%.

 

[Michael]

Just because he isn’t playing doesn’t mean it’s to early. He has gone to a high league and is making the bench. It’s not like he is buried in the squad.

CB’s don’t get subbed like attackers so opportunities are less and if you make a mistake or two you are crucified unlike and attacker who can get away with a bad pass or shit shot etc.

He is still young and while playing would be better training at that level is also good. He just needs an opportunity and keep working. Expectations to just walk in to these teams are a bit to high

Hatty Soutar can’t get minutes in the same league

I disagree
Staying here another season wouldn’t have hurt the interest in him. He would’ve gained more experience and more exposure. Yeah ofcourse the training at that level is all well and good but doesn’t beat playing regularly or even semi regularly (like Silvera).
Garang went too early, imagine if he stayed up until now? Yeah the money in his case is a totally different story, but my argument is the same… what if Garang turns into another Bernie Ibini? All the potential in the world but chases pay checks and is retired by 29…

There’s absolutely no harm for our prodigal youth talents staying here an extra season or even 2, particularly in a successful side like ours.

I fear Di Pizio will be leaving too early even at seasons end too, but I respect him immensely for pushing to stay right now. Very smart on his behalf.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

Garang went too early, imagine if he stayed up until now? Yeah the money in his case is a totally different story, but my argument is the same… what if Garang turns into another Bernie Ibini? All the potential in the world but chases pay checks and is retired by 29…

Or.......

Imagine he stays and gets a tackle that tears his ACL and he isn't the same again ??‍♂️

There’s absolutely no harm for our prodigal youth talents staying here an extra season or even 2, particularly in a successful side like ours.

It's not going to harm them, but it rips 1-2 years off an already short window to set themselves up for life.

 

[Big Al]

I disagree
Staying here another season wouldn’t have hurt the interest in him. He would’ve gained more experience and more exposure. Yeah ofcourse the training at that level is all well and good but doesn’t beat playing regularly or even semi regularly (like Silvera).
Garang went too early, imagine if he stayed up until now? Yeah the money in his case is a totally different story, but my argument is the same… what if Garang turns into another Bernie Ibini? All the potential in the world but chases pay checks and is retired by 29…

There’s absolutely no harm for our prodigal youth talents staying here an extra season or even 2, particularly in a successful side like ours.

I fear Di Pizio will be leaving too early even at seasons end too, but I respect him immensely for pushing to stay right now. Very smart on his behalf.

Fair enough and have no issues with that opinion. Every player wants to play.

Another side of it is A League has a certain level to it. Triantis was already above its level in 1 yr.
So playing again just stifles his progression. Sure he plays but what does he learn and improve on or go to the next level. You need to go and try and see what you have

 

[Corsair]

I disagree
Staying here another season wouldn’t have hurt the interest in him. He would’ve gained more experience and more exposure. Yeah ofcourse the training at that level is all well and good but doesn’t beat playing regularly or even semi regularly (like Silvera).
Garang went too early, imagine if he stayed up until now? Yeah the money in his case is a totally different story, but my argument is the same… what if Garang turns into another Bernie Ibini? All the potential in the world but chases pay checks and is retired by 29…

There’s absolutely no harm for our prodigal youth talents staying here an extra season or even 2, particularly in a successful side like ours.

I fear Di Pizio will be leaving too early even at seasons end too, but I respect him immensely for pushing to stay right now. Very smart on his behalf.

You have overlooked Garang's family situation. No way he's turning that money down. Anything could have happened if he stayed another season, at that kind of money in his personal situation you make hay while the sun shines.

Nector probably could have stayed but what happens if he gets there and their main CB gets a bad injury.... he's got his chance.

What Di Pizio appears to have ended up with seems like the best outcome. Get the deal with a caveat that you stay a season.

 

[Drew]

Nectar triantis going to hibs to link up with Monty on loan

 

[Tevor]

Nectar triantis going to hibs to link up with Monty on loan

I like this and good for Nectar.