Amini dropped from U 20 World cup squad

[dibo]

I think Okon has/is doing his Pro Diploma - the highest accreditation in the AFC and the level above an A Licence. Arnold would have similar - it's likely to be a requirement to have one to coach in the AFC CL in coming years.

Ollie played DM for us in the GF too, quite successfully I thought. He's certainly not a winger, that's for sure, and from memory we did alright that day!

Back on topic - Okon's given a reason why he didn't want to pick Amini, and if Amini wants to prove Okon wrong the best thing he can do is go back to Dortmund and smash it and get selected for our (now likely) Brazil campaign to put Turkey behind him.

 

[sydmariner]

Okon has to be joking!
To pick a novice over an experienced,tried & tested performer for an under 20`s comp is nothing short of ridiculous.
Amini has already played in an U/20 World Cup, has 2 A-League seasons under his belt with one one the country`s best teams
& has played with Borussia Dortmund for 12 month`s & Okon tries to tell us that a novice from Sydney FC is better for the team!

Well Mr Okon you can go "root your boot" , you`ve just lost what remained of your credibility.
Come to think of it ,after your transfer scandal from Marconi where a large portion of your transfer money disappeared from the Marconi coffers
I don`t think you had much left anyway.

in the youth team

 

[Forum Phoenix]

What are Paul Okon's coaching credentials? Is he the right person to be in charge in essentially the next wave of Socceroos?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was he the guy that played Ollie at DM which led to Ollie going through a form slump when he returned to the Mariners?

No that was Vidmar. Though your right, he absolutely came back a shadow of his former self. Dibo's right too in that he's played well in Dm when used there since, but it took Arnie months to get him back to his top form and able to do so.

On Okon, for mine his attitude is dismissive, and he clearly threatens a "do you really want to go there Musti" All but confirmation of there's more to it than he's not fit enough.

Okon's given a reason why he didn't want to pick Amini, and if Amini wants to prove Okon wrong the best thing he can do is go back to Dortmund and smash it and get selected for our (now likely) Brazil campaign to put Turkey behind him.

Dibo, whey does he need to go back to Dortmund? He can just smash out laps and nail his beep test right here at home can't he?

 

[Atomic]

Ah yes, Vidmar... Thanks FP

 

[T]

Okon apprenticed under Miron at GC, then left after the first year. Apparently Okon is much more humble now than he was when he was playing, but is still a twat

 

[FFC Mariner]

Not the most popular when at the scum either by all accounts

 

[Phish Phart]

"has played with Borussia Dortmund for 12 month"

This and similar references don't accurately reflect his actual situation at Dortmund.

1. He's had very little game time
2. He's had no game time with the 1st team in the Bundesliga
3. He's played in less than half of the games with Dortmund II in the 3rd division (14/38)
4. He played only 5 full games and was either subbed in or out in the others.
5. He scored no goals and provided 1 assist
6. His average rating was 3.4, slightly below the average for the rest of the team.
7. Dortmund II only just avoided relegation in the 2012/13 season.

Play in the German 3rd division is known as Rumplefussball (rumble football??) and only Stuttgart (14th) and Dortmund (16th) managed to avoid relegation of what are essentially their under-23 teams to the next tier; one of the regional leagues. Bayern Munich II were relegated last year.

The German 3rd division is an extremely tough proving ground for talented young players to survive against less talented but battle hardened older professionals trying to make a living. I guess Dortmund will keep on Amini for another one or two years and then release or onsell him if he doesn't make the grade.

Of course, this says nothing about whether he should or should not be in the U20's but simply being at Dortmund is no argument either

 

[FFC Mariner]

When you look at the progress Tommy has made in so short a time, you realise that staying another year here and then going to a club where he would play senior football (or be more likely to) often comes down to one good/bad decision.

Back in Oz in a year anyone? to get his career "back on track"

 

[style_cafe]

"has played with Borussia Dortmund for 12 month"

This and similar references don't accurately reflect his actual situation at Dortmund.

1. He's had very little game time
2. He's had no game time with the 1st team in the Bundesliga
3. He's played in less than half of the games with Dortmund II in the 3rd division (14/38)
4. He played only 5 full games and was either subbed in or out in the others.
5. He scored no goals and provided 1 assist
6. His average rating was 3.4, slightly below the average for the rest of the team.
7. Dortmund II only just avoided relegation in the 2012/13 season.

Play in the German 3rd division is known as Rumplefussball (rumble football??) and only Stuttgart (14th) and Dortmund (16th) managed to avoid relegation of what are essentially their under-23 teams to the next tier; one of the regional leagues. Bayern Munich II were relegated last year.

The German 3rd division is an extremely tough proving ground for talented young players to survive against less talented but battle hardened older professionals trying to make a living. I guess Dortmund will keep on Amini for another one or two years and then release or onsell him if he doesn't make the grade.

Of course, this says nothing about whether he should or should not be in the U20's but simply being at Dortmund is no argument either

Oh sorry, I forgot that his training 5 days a week with the Dortmund academy didn`t come into it.
No wonder Okon picked Gligor , who played youth for Sydney FC (they finished second last) ahead of Musti.
It makes sense now.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Just about to kickoff opening U20 WC game for Aus vs Columbia on SBS. Les Murray, said no Amini due to a "dispute with the coach".

 

[Atomic]

It will be interesting to see whether Foster ever criticises his mate "Paolo"

 

[sydmariner]

goooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllll daniel da silva scores for the young socceroos 1-0 after 46 min

 

[midfielder]

OMG De Silva ... certainty one to watch ...

 

[Forum Phoenix]

It will be interesting to see whether Foster ever criticises his mate "Paolo"

Heh. Indeed. But he has absolutely zero reason to after that performance. The personal clash with Amini aside. Credit where it's due, they were simply outstanding tonight. Well done Okon. Can't wait to see more.

De Silva impressed me no end, to the point I'm actually glad there was no Antonis just so this great young talent is getting his chance so young. Pity he's with Perth,
Arnie would probably already have him coming off the bench

 

[FFC Mariner]

Exciting times indeed.

How they go in the comp matters less (to me) than seeing the types of footballers we are now developing and how the teams play. If this is the future, we will go ok.

Watching State league this winter and a majority of the sides are trying to play the same way. In the last 2 weeks, the stand out performers have been the young NYL kids on the verge of a breakthrough.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Yeah completely agree. It is exciting. And it feels bloody great to be excited about NT and Australia's football future.

Watching Aus junior football these last 5 years you could really see a change taking place. A lot more technical skill in our youngsters, with creativity being much more appreciated and small sided football and indoor paying important dividends too. But you still need to see it manifesting on an international level to know it's not just your own wishful thinking and that it's up to world level too. So that was one of my personal all time favourite NT games.

Credit to the coach and players of course, but unlike the announcements of some pundits, watching last nights game though, I didn't really feel this was heralding a "new" golden generation or a wonder coach as such. But rather, and even better, the first wave, heralding a huge change in Australian football and our player development.

 

[dibo]

You're right - the point isn't that there's a golden generation, that implies that this is a discrete group and after them we're back to 'normal'.

This is the generation that defines the new normal - technically proficient, tactically savvy players and sophisticated managers, playing attractive and aggressive football, taking the initiative to our opponents and getting the rewards.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Exactly. Perfectly put too.

 

[true believer]

I couldn't believe we could pass them like that .

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I know. SO good to see our players not panicking under pressure and instead turning past players and making crisp short passes with good combinations.