Ángel Torres

[Wombat]

Not guilty doesn’t mean good character. This club is supposed to have strong values around community, family, and respect...and he quite simply doesn’t align with that.

Everyone gets to close this chapter and go separate ways.

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Why are you yelling that? We can read it calmly.

 

[Wombat]

So the prosecutor conveyed the prosecutions case with a story, and minimal evidence. To infer the prosecutions story as gospel is not only misguided, it's recklessly wrong.

A not guilty does mean his individuals character remains intact, his personal sexual choices don't dictate his character. Your own subjective beliefs about community, family respect don't come in to it. According to a jury of 12 of his peers, he has been cleared of all charges.

You did call it Huddo.

 

[Wombat]

Is he exactly what we are missing this season? 100%.
Does he pass the no dickhead test? The belt says No.

 

[Huddo]

Exactly this.
His wife fled him due to alledged abuse, cheating etc. Not to mention the other alledge breaches of conduct.
Not guilty just means it was a he says she says situation where there's no hard evidence to prove he's guilty. Doesn't mean he didn't do it.

- His wife fled him is hearsay, you don't know the reason his relationship fell apart.

- "Alleged" breaches that no one is willing to put their name to.

It's up to you what you believe, but I'm not going to adjudge someone of bad character based off gossip and innuendo.

Shit just sounds like Lucy and Tara talking about Staj. "

Edit: besides if there had been abuse where was the AVO/PVO, they aren't hard to obtain

 

[Paolo]

Why are you yelling that? We can read it calmly.

You always have the shittest posts after 9pm...i wonder why 🍺🍷

 

[Jimmy]

- His wife fled him is hearsay, you don't know the reason his relationship fell apart.

- "Alleged" breaches that no one is willing to put their name to.

It's up to you what you believe, but I'm not going to adjudge someone of bad character based off gossip and innuendo.

Shit just sounds like Lucy and Tara talking about Staj. "

Edit: besides if there had been abuse where was the AVO/PVO, they aren't hard to obtain

Well. You were right about one thing.

 

[Huddo]

Well. You were right about one thing.

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Was that in reference to the alleged assault or his wife? Is Lou his ex missus?

 

[Jimmy]

Was that in reference to the alleged assault or his wife?

Wife.
Let's have a think.
Does it really matter who the AVO came from?
Is it not bad enough that he's got one in the first place?

How keen are you on signing a player who has had to face the law on a number of occasions regarding to violence against women?

I know the club lost it's Community Club vibe over the last few years. But holy shit. Let's not scrape the bottom of the barrel.

 

[Huddo]

Wife.
Let's have a think.
Does it really matter who the AVO came from?
Is it not bad enough that he's got one in the first place?

How keen are you on signing a player who has had to face the law on a number of occasions regarding to violence against women?

I know the club lost it's Community Club vibe over the last few years. But holy shit. Let's not scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Well it does matter who it came from, if it was in reference to the assault, the police could be doing it as either an assurity that Torres is aware he isn't to contact the alleged victim; or, because they wish to try and add weight to their case.

Also, I know of 3 of my friends who have had AVOs against them. They aren't bad people, it is just used as a preventative measure, to ensure the safety of all involved. In all three cases although there was toxic arguments there wasn't any direct physical violence ( actually I lie, in one of the cases he shirt collared a bloke, and no further action bar the AVO was taken against him).

Besides if you do wish to appeal a 12 month AVO, it is taking 8-9 months to get a hearing date. So by the time you get herd the AVO only has 3 months left, so it seems a waste of time fighting it.

 

[Charlie1]

There is always 2 sides to every story. AVO’s are easy to get and I know for a fact it doesn’t mean you have done anything wrong. I think he would be a great signing. His personal life is that personal. He is been found not guilty so that is that. If he did it or not it’s not up to me to decide the court said he didn’t so I’m happy to sign him up. Mud shouldn’t stick.

 

[JB16]

There is always 2 sides to every story. AVO’s are easy to get and I know for a fact it doesn’t mean you have done anything wrong. I think he would be a great signing. His personal life is that personal. He is been found not guilty so that is that. If he did it or not it’s not up to me to decide the court said he didn’t so I’m happy to sign him up. Mud shouldn’t stick.

Yep, if we are the community club that we say we are we would give others a second chance like the "family" we allegedly are

 

[FFC Mariner]

Yep, if we are the community club that we say we are we would give others a second chance like the "family" we allegedly are

Not for that you don't. It's a bad look.
Let's forget the DV apologists and just think of how it looks to a family club that runs a women's team.
No regular employer would touch him with a 10 foot pole and CCM aren't any different.
"3 of my friends have AVO's"
Get new mates.
As I said, I'd let him train but I completely get why we wouldn't

 

[JB16]

Not for that you don't. It's a bad look.
Let's forget the DV apologists and just think of how it looks to a family club that runs a women's team.
No regular employer would touch him with a 10 foot pole and CCM aren't any different.
"3 of my friends have AVO's"
Get new mates.
As I said, I'd let him train but I completely get why we wouldn'

Yes, it potentially doesn't look good for the club, but we have to base it on the fact he got found not guilty by a Jury of his peers, same with another former mariner. It may not look great, but none of us know whether he did or didn't do what he was alleged to have done, so we have to presume that the jury made the right decision based on the evidence that was presented to them. My personal opinion is why would a guilty man take the stand and testify if he was guilty, knowing full well that every little detail that he says will be under scrutiny🤷🤷

 

[Huddo]

Not for that you don't. It's a bad look.
Let's forget the DV apologists and just think of how it looks to a family club that runs a women's team.
No regular employer would touch him with a 10 foot pole and CCM aren't any different.
"3 of my friends have AVO's"
Get new mates.
As I said, I'd let him train but I completely get why we wouldn't

f**k off champ, don't insult my friends or my relationships. Head down to the Gosford Court on Tuesday see the people that turn up for AVO day, get an education.

Just because you struggle to grasp the concept of the legal system. Doesn't mean you can attack me or my relationships.

Edit: What if I said the bloke that shirt fronted the other bloke did it because his partner told him she had been abused the bloke that was shirt fronted. I'm pretty happy with his decision and if I was in his shoes I'd have shown a little less restraint

You don't know shit mate. To attack me because you believe you have a fix off a half shared antidote makes more the fool of you.

 

[Jimmy]

Thoughts on OJ Simpson?

 

[Huddo]

Thoughts on OJ Simpson?

I'm sorry, I didn't realise Gosford was so racially charged, but incase I'm wrong, for every stupid argument there is an opposite - Richard Jewell.

Besides OJ ended up in Jail for other shit, so maybe his character was found wanting in the end.

 

[Michael]

Is he exactly what we are missing this season? 100%.
Does he pass the no dickhead test? The belt says No.

Just straight up truth here, we missed his football ability simple fact. Yes he’s probably a dickhead. Will he comeback? No. Will he leave the country asap? Yes. Did he actually do what he was accused of despite being completely acquitted? We will literally never know.

It’s such a messy kind of a case when it’s literally a she said he said scenario. Countless times in history has a female ruined an athletes career over nothing, but obviously countless times a male athlete has genuinely done the crime. I’ve even known one or two guys in the past that’ve been quite wrongfully accused of similar things out of revenge etc. it’s horrible and creates so much wrongful doubt and judgement when a female does rightfully make an accusation.

And ofcourse countless times the court system fails, but I do feel like on this occasion based on the pure lack of real evidence. It’s probably the right judgement. But his career is over. I do genuinely hope the female involved is doing okay and has a solid support network. She doesn’t deserve any ill will.

 

[Michael]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise Gosford was so racially charged, but incase I'm wrong, for every stupid argument there is an opposite - Richard Jewell.

Besides OJ ended up in Jail for other shit, so maybe his character was found wanting in the end.

I mean, to make an OJ Simpson comparison here is absolutely unhinged. There was heavy evidence in that case and that was a pure failure of the police and court system.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

The legal system argument runs both ways.

While an AVO is a common legal tool, like a subpoena, to establish legal boundaries, being found not guilty isn't automatically the case that he did nothing and the accusation is false, it just means that the evidence is not strong enough to be able to convict to the required burden of proof.

I don't know the full story. I have a personal opinion (like everyone else).

It's probably best to let it die with he was acquitted of the charges. Anything beyond that and it starts to look like the politics thread reincarnate 🤷🏻‍♂️.

 

[sydmariner]

Thoughts on OJ Simpson?

Orange Juice?.