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Self-education tax grab disaster

midfielder

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Taken from an Accounting professional journal... this IMO is huge news and affects everyone who wants to continue their education beyond school...

Normally I would not do this but FFS some things are beyond politics as the Libs look like backing whatever the APL does ...

To the article which explains it much better than me...

The Government's proposed $2000 cap on the tax deductibility of self-education expenses is short-sighted and regressive. - By Andrew Conway

The Federal Government’s proposed $2000 cap on the tax deductibility of self-education expenses is short-sighted, regressive and threatens Australia’s longer term productivity and international competitiveness.

There is no question that the tax deductibility of self-education expenses was not designed to facilitate first class international travel. However this is Treasurer Wayne Swan’s main argument when prosecuting his case for this tax grab.

Self-education is a critical component of sustainable economic growth. America’s Career Resource Network has explained through their research that informed and considered career decisions to undertake further education leads to:
  1. higher incomes and increased tax revenues;
  2. lower rates and shorter periods of unemployment; and
  3. increased worker productivity.
To place a ball and chain around the ankles of Australians seeking to advance their knowledge base, remain up to date and at more advanced levels, undertake research, fails economics ’101′.
By way of practical example, we require our members to undertake at least 40 hours of continuing professional education every year. This education can be undertaken in a number of ways from a range of sources; however the critical driver is to ensure public accountants maintain the highest possible standard of professional knowledge and competence. This is because Australians place their faith in their trusted adviser that they are up to date.

The impact of this short term tax grab is not just confined to accounting. Take doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, plumbers, builders, OH&S professionals, police, anyone undertaking further education, or dare we say it – politicians.

To impose a blanket removal of incentives to undertake self-education will cause deep and long-lasting damage to Australia’s productivity and our position in a rapidly increasingly competitive region. As the mobility of professionals increases within Asia, our young people are having to compete with their counterparts from China in staggering numbers. It is reported that China is producing more than 20 million university graduates every year.


By all means narrow the application of the deduction to avoid supporting first class travel to conferences, but capping it will be disastrous.
 

Forum Phoenix

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Mmmmm, it is a loop hole that gets massively exploited. But this is a blanket solution that will hurt some who it shouldn't too.
 

FFC Mariner

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Unlikely to be top of their agenda in their 1st term is it?

We may well be in recession when they take over and have a mountain of debt.
 

midfielder

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Mmmmm, it is a loop hole that gets massively exploited. But this is a blanket solution that will hurt some who it shouldn't too.


Actually it is not .... just think of all the students at TAFE & Community Colleges and similar type RTO today... under graduate students ... most doing masters degrees today ... most professionals pay a lot to go to seminars etc... yep is does happen but no where near what is a commonly held pub stool understanding...

It's a grab for cash and what makes it easy is in a Tax Return it is a deduction by itself and can be identified [essentially has it's own label on a tax return] ....

As an example I am doing a two day tax training / course update on 17 & 18 June in Sydney ... $ 895.00 which gives me 17 of the 40 hours I need to do each year...

University funding down ... now basic training reduced ...
 

Forum Phoenix

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I agree with you MF, but people do exploit it too, (I shouldn't have said massively as gross a statement off the cuff) but the entertainment industry for one does exploit it as do other industries that I know and participate in too. So maybe I have a chair or even a pub couch understanding. :)
 

dibo

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The benefits is greatest to professionals on very high incomes and their professional associations. Taxpayers are subsidising accountants to go and do 'professional development' while the VET sector struggles to keep the doors open for school leavers who can't claim a tax deduction because they don't earn enough yet to pay tax.
 

midfielder

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The benefits is greatest to professionals on very high incomes and their professional associations. Taxpayers are subsidising accountants to go and do 'professional development' while the VET sector struggles to keep the doors open for school leavers who can't claim a tax deduction because they don't earn enough yet to pay tax.


Wrong ... every sector no matter who they are can make self education claims... the vet sector is getting more and more expensive and the cost to go to tech; travel costs, books, administration fees etc are deductible.

Professional associations have requirements to keep up to date and these cost money and its the professionals who pay for it.... do you think its fun travelling to Sydney to attend a course for two days and somehow its living the high life because when you are back in your practice and you make a mistake the law suits come flying ... at these events you go to up date your knowledge and form networks of people doing similar type work who you can talk to... Sometimes people who travel from say Bathurst will stay overnight and have the hide to eat... OK OK there are some that abuse the system but to suggest that the few events where this happens is somehow the norm is akin to saying a fight between a Drive Buy fan and a Flying Circus fan is ethnic violence at Soccer matches...

Back to the vet sector ... by and large it is has governments funding [which should be increased] ... i.e. paying TAFE teachers and the support staff at TAFE ... assuming you are working in an industry and studying at TAFE or similar RTO then all you costs are tax deductible. Believe me with the cost of the vet sector today the $ 2, 000.00 limit is just incredibly stupid, nay beyond stupid, and for a Labour government is hard to believe, and follows on from the university funding cuts .... I assume the Libs will leave alone and blame the APL ...

You can write laws to limit certain types of claims but this will hurt the vet sector more than any other sector ... second this will hurt people who work in places that professionals use do do their training.. we will start to do more web cast training ...

Just on the professional bodies ripping off the great unwashed ... remember as I said there is no government money providing the building or paying teachers salaries .... do the sums my limited understanding of the NSW State government funding is TAFE receives about 1.2 billion .... and is fourth in line after Health, Education [school] and the police... Professional associations are funded by their members not the government.

Your point on who uses the vet sector is also way to simplistic ... many people who use the vet sector are older people looking to advance at work or gain additional qualifications or to keep existing qualifications and they do pay tax... further many vet students earn good money ... one of my sons is in IT and earns a very reasonable income and he does TAFE courses all the time.. Additionally the Vet sector is moving towards much shorter courses these days looking for and openly marketing to people already in work..

Jeff Kennett wrote .... he likens AFL's foray into western Sydney to the failed Gallipoli campaign ... further he said .... """ "I fear we are on the verge within the AFL of committing our own Gallipoli, where leadership is not flexible enough to say we’ve made a mistake." http://m.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/ke...failed-gallipoli-campaign-20130606-2nrv8.html

I cannot see how anyone can see cuts to self education funding as in any way a good thing... I think if the article had read Joe Hockey suggested you would be answering differently ... I am a swinging voter have no belief in either party ... you are an ALP supporter sometimes you need to be flexible enough to say this is bad policy regardless of the name on the policy.

That Mr Swan has cast this into some kinda class war thing by trying to muddy the waters by saying first class air travel totally ignores that it is the Trades, Lower level management i.e. retail, banking etc, who pay for this training at the vet sector level & under graduate with today many master degrees who claim most of the self education deductions.....

Just consider this... the funding to the post secondary school in TAFE, Universities and other RTO, by various state governments and the Commonwealth government, the self education costs claimed by students at these institutions by many billions exceeds the cost of professional association's self education updates, where most [not all I accept] are not rip offs the tax systems... simply people keeping up to date ...
 

FFC Mariner

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The benefits is greatest to professionals on very high incomes and their professional associations. Taxpayers are subsidising accountants to go and do 'professional development' while the VET sector struggles to keep the doors open for school leavers who can't claim a tax deduction because they don't earn enough yet to pay tax.

Rubbish. Professionals on high incomes usually get their tuition refunded upon completion. This grubby attack is aimed directly at anyone hoping to better themselves through education.

Core values anyone?
 

true believer

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i think your way off the mark ffc . as i understand it you could claim thousands per year
with creative paperwork. a say basket weaving coarse in tahiti on the tax payer.
 

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