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Round nine - other matches

dibo

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Obviously a stalemate last night, good for everyone but GCU.

Perth now playing the Furries in front of a big crowd at Perth Oval (I can't remember WTF it's called these days). Talay received his second yellow for simulation just before h/t, Steffannutto with a likely ACL tear early and replaced by Spagnuolo.

Dull game so far, barring the referee having his whistle in his mouth every 15s or so to punish some niggly foul or other.
 

scottmac

Suspended
dibo said:
Dull game so far, barring the referee having his whistle in his mouth every 15s or so to punish some niggly foul or other.

Big change from ref last night. That second yellow could have been play on, he lost possesion why ruin the rest of the game. Yeah it was simulation but a wave of the finger in his direction to point out he is not being fooled would have been enough, this guy is the new Matthew Breeze.
 

dibo

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I disagree. He had no choice but to book him for unsporting conduct. It was a blatant attempt to con the referee, and the FFA were clear from the start of the season that diving = a caution. Nobody but Talay's own arse will be kicked over that.
 

dibo

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farcical equaliser.

velaphi should have punched a shot, but instead parried it straight up, as the ball came down velaphi caught it rather than tapped it over and while he was in the air he was promptly taken with the ball into the goal by chris grossman. instead of ruling a foul on velaphi, williams blows goal...
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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scottmac said:
dibo said:
Dull game so far, barring the referee having his whistle in his mouth every 15s or so to punish some niggly foul or other.

Big change from ref last night. That second yellow could have been play on, he lost possesion why ruin the rest of the game. Yeah it was simulation but a wave of the finger in his direction to point out he is not being fooled would have been enough,

Would've been a total copout - I can't imagine why anybody would try and argue that a player SHOULDN'T be punished for blatant cheating.  Can't stand divers.

Kudos to the referee for actually having the balls to take action - weak referees are the ones who allow this shit to go on.
 

coast

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Can't beleive fury stole a draw, i stopped watching at around 70 min mark or so, looked like the glory had it in the bag easily. Ahh well a draw is good for us.

Anyone know what the crowd figure was?
 

northernspirit

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good crowd, kinda salvages some pride after last nights embarrasment on the gold coast... cant see a big crowd in sydney with RL GF on this weekend
 

scottmac

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Capn Gus Bloodbeard said:
Kudos to the referee for actually having the balls to take action - weak referees are the ones who allow this shit to go on.

Have no argument against this, i agree whole heartedly. BUT, if he is to call it this way he must remain consistent. There was an example of diving, while not as clear cut, given by Dadi early in the first half in which williams decided just to wave play on and tell Dadi to get up. Why not on this occasion?

In fact Dadi appealled for the penalty and Talay did not, he just got up.

Should Talay employ the same bio technician that Eduardo did?
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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I can only respond to this regarding my own approach to diving, which I think is a fairly common one.

Now, if I believe, with certainty, that a player has taken a dive I WILL caution him.  The laws of the game state that this MUST happen; it is not an option.

However, what if I'm not certain?  Referees aren't going to caution players for diving unless we're absolutely certain (and even then, the HAL refs often get it wrong - as McCallister discovered last week).

An experienced referee will often have a gut feeling when he looks at something.  Sometimes a player may go down in the penalty area, and it may well look like a penalty but something in the referee's gut just tells him that there was something a bit 'off' about it.  As such, the referee isn't entirely convinced it was a foul - but also can't be absolutely certain it was a dive, even though there may be a suspicion.  These are the sort of cases when a referee may just tell a player to get up - when I do it, I'm basically saying 'I think you took a dive, but I'm not entirely certain, so I'll let you off but I'm also telling you not to try pulling the wool over my eyes'.

I have no doubt that sometimes a referee will do this because he's chickening out of issuing the caution, but often it's just because the referee can't be absolutely certain it was a dive. 

Does that make sense?

Whether a player appeals for a penalty certainly is something that can be considered (unless the referee makes his decision immediately, without waiting to see) - if a player doesn't appeal it may mean that the player didn't dive but just fell down naturally, even though it wasn't a dive.  However, it may be that the player also wants the ref to think that - if referee's using the presence or lack of an appeal as determining factor in a dive, then players will abuse this and dive without appealling - all the benefits and none of the risk.

On top of everything else, it's just a bloody hard thing to get right - unlike the spectators and other players, the referee needs to be absolutely certain and the referee also realises that while a player may fall awkwardly, it certainly doesn't mean he's taken a dive.

I absolutely hate it when referees fail to punish blatant diving and there is absolutely no excuse for it, but I also realise that there are often times when a referee isn't certain but is just going with his gut - and that, IMO, is good refereeing.  When the ref knows it was a dive and doesn't caution, that's piss-poor refereeing.

goingtoadisco said:
Anyone having trouble with iraq goals ?

It wasn't working for our game last weekend
 

scottmac

Suspended
Thats a great explanation.

Still, it only punishes those that are shite at diving while letting those that make it look real get away with it unless its a game changing moment. A card for a dive outside the box that results in a send off? Would you see that in the EPL?
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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scottmac said:
Thats a great explanation.

Still, it only punishes those that are shite at diving while letting those that make it look real get away with it

Yes - but considering the aim is to fool the referee, I don't really think there's any other way.

I do believe that punishing divers after the match in video review is the ONLY way to go (though the referee still has a responsibility to do the best he can).

scottmac said:
unless its a game changing moment. A card for a dive outside the box? Would you see that in the EPL?

Whether or not it's a game changing moment should be irrelevant.  I've cautioned 5 players for diving in my time as a referee - had my doubts over a lot more, but these are the 5 I was certain about.

2 of them were in the box, 2 were near the sideline, and 1 was in the middle, 30 yards out from goal.  For two of them, if I was in a different position by just a few metres, I would've been fooled.

The One of the sideline ones was a 2nd yellow - my AR reckons I was way too harsh, but my view is that the player chose to cheat and I'd be doing the game a disservice if I didn't take the necessary action.  Simply telling a player to get up isn't exactly doing a lot to discourage cheating, but it can help a little.

But I do take a bit more of a moral standpoint against diving than many of my colleagues, though my view is that I'm simply doing my job and they're the ones letting the game down :D

However, elite football isn't a sport; it's a product or a show, and there's a lot more pressure on referees to refrain from making unpopular decisions.  Still, there have been a couple of players in the HAL sent off for a 2nd caution for diving (can't remember if all were inside or outside the area, but I know one or two of them were dead wrong).

I look forward to watching Talay's replay; can't remember what game the Dadi one was in though.
 

scottmac

Suspended
The reason i say game changing moment is because then it can be reviewed by the match review panel if the ref is fooled.
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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dibo said:
farcical equaliser.

velaphi should have punched a shot, but instead parried it straight up, as the ball came down velaphi caught it rather than tapped it over and while he was in the air he was promptly taken with the ball into the goal by chris grossman. instead of ruling a foul on velaphi, williams blows goal...

How the f**k was that not a foul?  He was pushed into the goal like a rugby player in a ruck....

Incredibly blatant dive by Talay - the fact that there was clear daylight between the two players is what makes it easy to spot if you're in the right position, which the ref was.  He had no choice but to caution, and Talay's a fkn idiot for pulling something like that when he's already on a card.
 

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