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I think it is people with their own agenda's, axes to grind. The major thing wrong with Football is it is funded by the bottom up and costs are getting out of hand.
Mike Charlesworth has had quite a bit to say about what's wrong with football, and he's had a few pops at local associations and FNSW.
What do people here think is wrong with football?
What's wrong with football? Nothing. It's a great game.
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Fees - paid thousands in the early years and received benefits in later years. Can't complain. We live in a user pays world and most clubs survive on a shoestring budget. Considering the obesity plague in this country all costs paid by parents or players should be tax deductible.
User pays?
I played rugby union as a kid. You provided your own shorts, socks and boots. The club provided a jersey that they washed every week. Cost 5 bob a year. Covered all costs. Fully amateur game where club officials put in the same amount of work as do junior football club officials these days. Insurance was covered as well ( I even saw a few easy successful claims).
You call it these days user pays. I call it user gets ripped off.
Date - October 29, 2013 - 9:10PM
- Mike Charlesworth
The Mariners have been one of the success stories of the last few years - but owner Mike Charlesworth says root and branch changes to the game are needed to ensure the long-term prosperity of the flagship league. Photo: Getty Images
In the past few weeks, we have had two very different messages from Australian football.
We've endured the abysmal performances of the Socceroos against Brazil and France and the subsequent sacking of the national coach, yet there has also been three rounds of record crowds and quality football in the A-League.
In the UK in the 1990s, football was revolutionised by a change in the ownership structure and the creation of the Premier League. Similar changes need to be made in Australia.
What are we to make of it all? Is it just a question of changing the national coach and all will be well in the game?
While Ange Postecoglou will make a superb national coach, there is much more to do if we are ever to address some more fundamental problems.
In the UK in the 1990s, football was revolutionised by a change in the ownership structure and the creation of the Premier League. Similar changes need to be made in Australia so that the A-League clubs own the league – not the FFA – and ownership means more than a temporary license.
Without this change, potential investors will shy away from the code and it will be always difficult to attract innovative, imaginative and high-quality management of clubs.
I have already invested many millions in the Mariners but only have a temporary license. As the license gets closer to its expiry date, why would I or any owner invest in a license that they don't own and could lose at the whim of the FFA?
This process reduces investment in the clubs and therefore the A-League is severely affected.
Owners of clubs want the code to grow and contribute to how the game is run. However, unlike almost every major league around the world, we have no stake in the game itself or the A-League other than our temporary licenses.
This means no long-term strategy or organisation takes place that involves the club owners. Club owners should own the club, and collectively own the league, just as the 20 Premier League clubs do in England.
We must get rid of the redundant State Football Associations, making A-League clubs the focal point.
The feudal-like system of the state associations “running” football between the levels of the regional associations and the FFA must be scrapped. Football needs to revolve around a successful A-League, with top-flight clubs given greater responsibility to influence the game in their region, and investors having a genuine stake in the game.
This is what we are trying to do with the Mariners. We want a relationship with Central Coast football that feeds directly into the Mariners, and from there to the FFA.
We need greater community involvement in our football clubs. By making the A-League clubs the centre of the Australian football structure, we should also ensure the community has a stake. Arguably the most successful league in the world right now is Germany's Bundesliga - where every club is 51 per cent community owned.
Here, the establishment of community trusts could achieve similar results. This way we would have greater community involvement, and stronger fan bases for our sport. For clubs like the Mariners, this is essential.
Football must be cheaper for children to play and they must receive first-class coaching. Costs are as high as $250 per child per year and if this continues, families will simply pick other sports.
Finally, we need our children to receive better coaching by developing specific football schools and academies. This needs to be coordinated and run through the A-League clubs.
At the Mariners, we are trying to achieve all of the above. But fundamental change of the A-League structure and ownership is essential to make this a true success, and help to achieve our ultimate goal: for Australia to win the World Cup.
Mike Charlesworth's Six-Point Plan
1. Permanent license arrangements for A-League club owners, not temporary licenses
2. A-League clubs have an equal share in the ownership of the A-League – each club to own 10 percent of the A-League
3. Get rid of the anachronistic state-based football federations. Structure should be regional football associations feeding into A-League clubs which feed into the FFA.
4. Greater community involvement in clubs through adoption of A-League community football trusts to work locally for clubs like the Mariners
5. Reduce the cost of playing the game
6. Better coaching through academies and football schools for all players run by A-League clubs
Mike Charlesworth is the chairman and majority owner of the Central Coast Mariners.
& 2 think that fat turdpoo (palmer) wanted 2 be pmLet's take his points one by one:
1. Permanent license arrangements for A-League club owners, not temporary licenses
Yeah, probably makes sense in the longer term, but rogue owners have done a lot of damage to the A-League over time (Palmer, Constantine, even Serepisos and Sage not to mention our own owners in their own way...) so I can understand the FFA being pretty cautious on this one.
2. A-League clubs have an equal share in the ownership of the A-League – each club to own 10 percent of the A-League
Comes some time after point 1, surely.
3. Get rid of the anachronistic state-based football federations. Structure should be regional football associations feeding into A-League clubs which feed into the FFA.
It even begs a second question "Is this the best option?
You've picked one of the three levels of football 'government' - why is that one the problem, and not the local associations or FFA itself?"
I'm not saying it's wrong, but he's really presenting an answer without laying out an argument beyond name-calling - "feudal" and "anachronistic" - it's not that long ago he was bagging the shit out of local associations so what's caused the change of heart?
4. Greater community involvement in clubs through adoption of A-League community football trusts to work locally for clubs like the Mariners
If he wants to see it, do it. He's an owner. Mike, knock yourself out. Many people on here would pony up.
5. Reduce the cost of playing the game
Sure, but this is complex. Where to start?
Take a 12 year old kid playing for Gosford City (my old club... *sigh*). Their folks will pay $160.
Of this:
So the cost of playing ends up around $230.
- FFA takes $12.60,
- FNSW takes $16.81,
- the FNSW Accident Support Program is $3.53,
- CCF takes [I'm not sure, but it used to be in the order of $60],
- the club keeps the remainder (assuming that the CCF fee *is* $60, the club component is obviously $67.06.
- On top of this, there are match fees that parents have to pony up - another $5 or so per game, so that adds another $70 or so per year.
I'm not saying there aren't savings to be had, but where is the best place to target?
Even if you eliminate FNSW, you still have $213.19 left - a 7.3% saving.
Eliminate FFA, you have $217.40 - 5.5%.
Eliminate both, it's $200.59 - 12.8%.
That's still a fair whack, and you've buggered up the higher bodies.
There are other things that cost big dollars in the mix. Ground hire is huge. Uniforms, gear and equipment costs. Trophies and presentation days...
The essential problem is that football costs a lot to administer and deliver. Across the country there are 450,000 club footballers playing every winter. The total fees paid by these players comes to over $100 million every year.
Most of this is collected by non-profit organisations run by volunteers, and there aren't that many people working in football (I'm lucky enough to be one of them) so staffing costs aren't a massive part of the mix.
If we're saying the cost of football is the problem, we need to think a little harder about what to do about it than saying *cut cut cut*.
Maybe if there were greater revenue drawn from commercial sources and flowing *down* rather than up, that might make a bigger difference. Imagine for a moment that instead of fees going up to FNSW and FFA, sufficient extra revenue was coming in to the game to have the fees reversed and part of the cost of football was covered by the top of the tree. Turning the $12.50 and $16.81 fees into grants of $12.50 and $16.81 would yield a saving of nearly $60.
That would need another $26 million per year. It's a big sum, but by no means impossible to imagine. TV funding jumped by $10 million or so this year, and with continued expansion of the league, continued growth of crowds and interest, more can be generated. The AFL and NRL are both about $80 million a year ahead of us (a key reason why their games are cheap to play at junior levels...).
I'm not sure smashing holes in the structure of football administration will help.
6. Better coaching through academies and football schools for all players run by A-League clubs
There are something like 5,000 - 6,000 junior players in 'pathway' programs (SAP, NPL, Regional League, etc.).
A-League clubs don't really have the resources to take over coaching these kids. They may want to take over the 'institute' programs, but I'm a little sceptical about the motives of an organisation that would take on institute players to ensure first pick of young talent but not willing to fund a W-League program.
Would they also fund the administration of coach education at elite and grassroots levels? Would they provide support to local associations so they can assist local clubs with player development?
It's a bigger task than a single glib line can possibly capture, so if he's serious he has to have a serious plan too.