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Frank Lowy Interview

midfielder

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/a-league/we-cant-go-cold-on-expansion/2009/08/21/1250362213063.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1


August 22, 2009

Frank Lowy is keen on a second division, thinks Sydney is ready for another A-League team and is eyeing a place in the second round for the Socceroos at the World Cup. He speaks to Michael Cockerill.

Q Two rounds into the new season, what are your impressions, particularly about crowds?

A. It's too early to make a judgment. No doubt about that. You're still in the midst of the other codes, although we shouldn't be worried about that. Eventually we won't be. Would it have been better having 25,000 people in Melbourne, 20,000 in Sydney, maybe 15,000 in Townsville? Yes, it would have been better. We didn't have it. But we need to be more patient.

Q. What about the two new clubs, North Queensland and Gold Coast? They've taken vastly different approaches.

A. It's very interesting, actually. A bit of colour at both ends, it will be good for us. A bit of controversy - although I'm not a person who likes controversy - can make life more interesting.

Q. Speaking of controversy, what about Clive Palmer? He seems to be having a running battle with the FFA.

A. I know him a bit. I like him. He's putting his money where his mouth is. Basically, he's very determined to have a good team. Over time, we'll get a bit more co-operative with each other. We're not perfect. The FFA is not perfect, you can say that. Neither is he. We need to work together. To adjust to each other. But on the other side, he came into the game, signed an agreement and it means what it says. So he has to abide by that.

Q. The existing licences are up at the end of this season. In particular, Wellington Phoenix are nervous about their future following the stand taken by [Asian Football Confederation president] Mohamed Bin Hammam. Can you give Wellington any assurances?

A. I can give Wellington the assurance we will try our hardest, our damnedest, to keep them in the competition. But it's not in my power, totally. FIFA says one thing, for certain [that Wellington should remain], the AFC says another [that Wellington should be kicked out], so we need to sort it out They've got good management, good crowds, they get good results. It would be bad for the game overall if we didn't have a team like that.

Q. Next week, the board will make a decision on the 12th licence. Are you getting cold feet on expansion?

A. We can't have cold feet on expansion. We just can't. I mean, look at how many teams Japan has, Korea has. They all have a lot more. There are a number of reasons we need to expand We have a good competition, but we need to build it for quality, quantity, and crowds. These things will happen.

Q. Will the 12th licence go to a second Sydney team? Can Sydney FC handle the competition?

A. There will be a second team in Sydney. It's not up to Sydney FC, it's the FFA's decision. We made that decision a long time ago, and it will happen.

Q. Any chance of a 12th and 13th [Canberra] licence being issued at the same time?

A. Unlikely.

Q. Does going to 12 teams open the door for free-to-air television?

A. We have a contract now, until 2013. I'll do my damndest to make sure we get free-to-air after that. We can't do it beforehand. These people [Fox Sports] are not going to give up. They came in and took a punt, a big punt, they gave us the basis for the competition. They're not going to give up their contractual rights, and I don't blame them for it. But the future needs more teams, a second division, and also some free-to-air.

Q. How important is a second division competition to you?

A. We need a second division for promotion and relegation. That is the lifeblood of football everywhere. We will have to have it eventually. There is a time frame, but I don't want to articulate it. It's not urgent, but it's necessary.

Q. Does going to 12 A-League teams guarantee more spots in the Asian Champions League?

A. I believe so. It's a big reason to have 12 teams, but it's not the only reason.

Q. Speaking of Asia, have things settled down after the bitter battle between Mohamed Bin Hammam and Sheikh Salman?

A. I was in Kuala Lumpur a few weeks ago, and I talk to the president regularly. These things happen from time to time. It was a close call, but it has settled down.

Q. English Premier League clubs were again in Asia for their pre-season tours. What's your view of the EPL's plans to have a 39th game in Asia?


A. I'm opposed to that. Absolutely. The national competitions belong to the national associations. We can't interrupt our own competitions because two foreign teams want to come and enhance their own competitions.

Q. Australia is still one of five Asian bidders for the World Cup. Does this impact on our chances, or do you think we'll eventually get a consensus, in other words, a single Asian bid?

A. Eventually. The other bids, I don't want to detract from them, their right, or ability, but hopefully there will be a consensus.

Q. So how is the bid going?


A. Sometimes I get a bit insecure, because it goes up and down like a yo-yo. But we have a good chance, we have a good chance for 2018.

Q. You're very careful what you say about the World Cup bid, but can you tell us how important it was that Kevin Rudd went to Zurich recently to meet Sepp Blatter?

A. The basic ingredient for any bid is the full support of your own country. There's no doubt about it now, that there is full support. That was articulated very well by Kevin Rudd to Sepp Blatter.

Q. On national building, you need to finalise the stadiums by the end of the year. Will you resolve the problems in Adelaide and Perth?


A. I believe they will be resolved, and will be part of the bid. No city can afford not to be part of it. Football can afford it, but the state can't afford to be left out. I know the Federal Government is determined, and I rely on that knowledge. The two cities will resolve their issues, whatever they are.

Q. Speaking of World Cups, we've qualified comfortably for 2010. You must think you made the right call on Pim Verbeek?

A. I'm happy about the coach, but I'm happy about many things that happened in the last six years.

Q. Any chance of Pim continuing after the World Cup?

A. I don't think we need to speculate. We need to make a decision jointly, mutually, when the time comes. He's here, he's doing a good job, we certainly hope to go beyond the first round. Decisions should be made at the right time. Not too late, not too early.

Q. So what are your benchmarks for the Socceroos in South Africa?

A. I hope to go to the second round. One day, somebody sitting in my position, will say they hope to go to the final. In Australia, in 2018.

Q. Finally, what are your plans? You turn 80 next year, you're up for [FFA] re-election in 2011, are you going to stay on, or do you have a succession plan?

A. All of the above. I will work as long as I can. If they want me, and I'm well enough, I will stay.
 

Arabmariner

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I like Lowy and what he's doing.His enthusiasim is amazing for a guy his age and it must rub off on those around him.

The one thing I don't agree with him on though is Wellington.The Australian continent is big enough as it is without having to fly to another country for games.Perth - Wellington is just ridiculous.

New Zealand ain't our problem.Let them form their own league.
 

Jesus

Jesus
Interesting the west syd/canberra. Hard to tell if he was saying wsyd is definate, which the cock certainly seemed to be suggesting. Or if he was avoiding the direct question but saying there will be a team there before long.


I dont think wellington are a drain on the league. I am with lowy, they have good suport, are fine financially, get decent results. They are a positive for the league.
 

northernspirit

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Im a fan of Wellington being in the league, they are doing well for a town so entrenched in rugby. If theyre support were to drop to below the 5k mark on a regular basis however itd be bye bye from me.
 

clarence

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Arabmariner said:
I like Lowy and what he's doing.His enthusiasim is amazing for a guy his age and it must rub off on those around him.

The one thing I don't agree with him on though is Wellington.The Australian continent is big enough as it is without having to fly to another country for games.Perth - Wellington is just ridiculous.

New Zealand ain't our problem.Let them form their own league.

+1.

In business circles, Lowy has enough reputation from the things he did or didn't do involving Westfield, over the last 50 years, to make more than enough enemies and some friends along the way too.

In my own past business dealings, when supplying Westfields Ltd., I hated the contract and damned Lowy and his co-horts to hell on more than one occasion. I know there are dozens of small business people & even larger businesses that hate having to deal with the giant.

But I cannot deny Lowy's 'fit' for the job he has with the FFA. If there's anyone in Australia who can negotiate tough deals, or sort out workable compromises, it's him.

Personally, I am not a fan of keeping this NZ caper going, but it does serve two very important roles for the A-League having Wellington in there.
1. The Foxtel contract's worth is enhanced by being able to be on sold to a NZ audience and they have a greater interest in it because a side from their side of the ditch is in the comp.
2. It allows the FFA to have the important one side per capital city mantra maintained but provide another team to balance out the comp. and not have 'byes'.

I think it is now very much over to the Wellington folks to support their team and try to make it inconceivable that they will be dropped due to Conference politics. They have to try and pack as many people into Westpac, and make their team an important part of their city. Make it very difficult for the AFC to tell the FFA to remove them from next season.

I think, in the end, the AFC will have it's way. Or, they will tell FIFA that if Australia is to have to allow a NZ team to compete, then to merge the Oceania Conference into the AFC & take up that half spot for WC qualification with it! That alone should drive the FIFA to abide with the AFC's wishes, as the last thing a Euro based FIFA would want is to give yet another Asian team a spot in the WC Finals.
 

Arabmariner

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When the day comes that we have a second division with promotion and relegation which Lowy is all for does anyone really think that Wellington could survive being relegated ?

No one knows yet how they plan to set up a 2nd div but there's a good chance it would be in some sort of regionalised form.So where would that place Wellington ?

We have to get away from this "franchise" mentality imo.We need proper football "clubs" who are engrained into the local sporting landscape and have a chance of survival even when things take a dive on the field.

I just get the feeling Welly are only making up the numbers till a proper opertunity to ditch them comes along i.e.relegation.
 

clarence

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Arabmariner said:
No one knows yet how they plan to set up a 2nd div but there's a good chance it would be in some sort of regionalised form.So where would that place Wellington ?

Well, you couldn't have a NZ region at all, if the AFC have their say. An dif Wellington are not good enough to stay in the A-League, then they'd be gone, once relegated out of the top division. In other words, just makes it plain stupid having the NZ team in the A-League, if you are only looking at this side of running a comp.

Arabmariner said:
We have to get away from this "franchise" mentality imo.We need proper football "clubs" who are engrained into the local sporting landscape and have a chance of survival even when things take a dive on the field.

I am more a fan of the franchise syndicate 'club', and don't like the bs that all the A-League clubs are spruiking about 'memberships'.

Under a franchise arrangement, the terms of the comp. are spelt out in writing, and both the franchisee (the 'clubs') and the franchise owner (FFA) know what is to happen, and what can happen if a clause of the agreement is breached.

Someone like Lowy would be very comfortable with that sort of business arrangement, he is used to having businesses as tenants which is basically what the A-League clubs are to this comp.

The franchise arrangement means that those who front up with the winning syndicate bear the risk of the venture. Only thing us 'members' could lose out on is the cost of the season ticket.

If the comp. was run like an older traditional styled comp. we run the risk of the founding clubs arguing for their continued inclusion, even if they are hopelessly uncompetitive. You do run the risk of a South Sydney styled High Court challenge too, as the terms of inclusion are not so well spelt out.

A franchise styled comp. also means that the FFA can refuse any request for a licence, it can also drop licensees far quicker than preventing a club from competing.

When you add the promotion and relegation aspirations of the future, and the old guard maybe making a sneaking run for the top level, then crying poor and wanting loans and all sorts of corrupting things to happen to the comp. (THIS HAS HAPPENED IN THE OLD NSL, DON'T THINK THAT SOME CLUBS WON'T TRY AGAIN), then I am happy that a central organisation is in control.
 

Jesus

Jesus
Arabmariner said:
When the day comes that we have a second division with promotion and relegation which Lowy is all for does anyone really think that Wellington could survive being relegated ?

No one knows yet how they plan to set up a 2nd div but there's a good chance it would be in some sort of regionalised form.So where would that place Wellington ?

We have to get away from this "franchise" mentality imo.We need proper football "clubs" who are engrained into the local sporting landscape and have a chance of survival even when things take a dive on the field.

I just get the feeling Welly are only making up the numbers till a proper opertunity to ditch them comes along i.e.relegation.

Would any teams survive currently?
 

tuftman

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Jesus said:
Arabmariner said:
When the day comes that we have a second division with promotion and relegation which Lowy is all for does anyone really think that Wellington could survive being relegated ?

No one knows yet how they plan to set up a 2nd div but there's a good chance it would be in some sort of regionalised form.So where would that place Wellington ?

We have to get away from this "franchise" mentality imo.We need proper football "clubs" who are engrained into the local sporting landscape and have a chance of survival even when things take a dive on the field.

I just get the feeling Welly are only making up the numbers till a proper opertunity to ditch them comes along i.e.relegation.

Would any teams survive currently?

If this 2nd division thing goes ahead, would anyone want to sponsor the teams in it? or the competition itself?
 

Arabmariner

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Jesus said:
Arabmariner said:
When the day comes that we have a second division with promotion and relegation which Lowy is all for does anyone really think that Wellington could survive being relegated ?

No one knows yet how they plan to set up a 2nd div but there's a good chance it would be in some sort of regionalised form.So where would that place Wellington ?

We have to get away from this "franchise" mentality imo.We need proper football "clubs" who are engrained into the local sporting landscape and have a chance of survival even when things take a dive on the field.

I just get the feeling Welly are only making up the numbers till a proper opertunity to ditch them comes along i.e.relegation.

Would any teams survive currently?
Currently ? No I wouldn't think so and there would never be any gaurantee ever.

But if for example CCM are still around in 20 years time I would like to think that by then we'd have a solid enough hardcore support to survive the drop if it ever happened.Assuming the 2nd Div was regionalised to NSW with play offs for promotion with other state winners for example we would possibly do quite well in terms of crowds since all teams would be closer and probably bring more away support than the likes of Welly,Perth and Adelaide.

If Welly were to be relegated they'd be stuffed unless they put them into a NZ region with the winner to play off for a spot in Div 1 with the other regional winners.But I can't see them surviving too long in a NZ comp.

I'm really curious as to how the FFA plan to do this 2nd Div.They will have to be so careful since it's fraught with danger however you think about it.
 

marinersman

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I invite anyone anyone who is in favour of Wellington or any NZ club to list an argument supporting what they bring to the league that an Australian club can't.

Is it their crowds? No better than any Australian club. Is it their results and success on the pitch? Mediocre at best, never made the finals. Is it NZ viewers watching it on pay TV over there? No, it's been buried just like chanel 7 did here.

So what value do they bring to our league? Sooner they are kicked out the better. Can't come quick enough.
 

midfielder

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Arabmariner said:
Jesus said:
Arabmariner said:
When the day comes that we have a second division with promotion and relegation which Lowy is all for does anyone really think that Wellington could survive being relegated ?

No one knows yet how they plan to set up a 2nd div but there's a good chance it would be in some sort of regionalised form.So where would that place Wellington ?

We have to get away from this "franchise" mentality imo.We need proper football "clubs" who are engrained into the local sporting landscape and have a chance of survival even when things take a dive on the field.

I just get the feeling Welly are only making up the numbers till a proper opertunity to ditch them comes along i.e.relegation.

Would any teams survive currently?
Currently ? No I wouldn't think so and there would never be any gaurantee ever.

But if for example CCM are still around in 20 years time I would like to think that by then we'd have a solid enough hardcore support to survive the drop if it ever happened.Assuming the 2nd Div was regionalised to NSW with play offs for promotion with other state winners for example we would possibly do quite well in terms of crowds since all teams would be closer and probably bring more away support than the likes of Welly,Perth and Adelaide.

If Welly were to be relegated they'd be stuffed unless they put them into a NZ region with the winner to play off for a spot in Div 1 with the other regional winners.But I can't see them surviving too long in a NZ comp.

I'm really curious as to how the FFA plan to do this 2nd Div.They will have to be so careful since it's fraught with danger however you think about it.

Be like the J-League ... in that there will be an A-League and a B-League.... in total say 24 teams... 14 in the A-League and 10 in the B_league ... bottom two go down and up but always within the same 24 teams...
 

clarence

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I know there's a number of us on this forum who hailed from places afar that had a Football comp. that was very entrenched in the promotion and relegation system, but it hasn't worked in the old NSL here, and there really isn't enough corporate $$ to go around, taking into account the $$ spent on RL, Ru and AFL too.

I'd suggest the better way of doing things would be to try an Australian knock out comp incorporating the lower comps in each State and A-League clubs, like the FA Cup is in England.

I think Auburn Mariner posted up a very well thought out and well structured system of doing this sort of comp in Australia. I do hope he sent it off to the FFA because from what I can recall, it certainly had merit.

I'd try that first for two reasons.
1. To placate the AFC who want more Football in tis country at a professional level and to put us ona level par with the likes of Japan and Korea.
2. To give the State League teams a chance to secure sponsorship and prepare them for a possible Level 2. A-League.

If this turns out a reasonable success, then the State League clubs would be in a better position to offer a more professional approach to their competing & hopefully their sponsors for the knock out comp. will stick around with them through the lower level and maybe into promotion.

But you'd only want to go for the level 2 comp. IF the knock out national comp is a measured success.
 

midfielder

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Clarence

I think the P & R will come but not for quite a while ... at least two media deals away as the funding will not be there..

FFA plan a FA cup competition next year and not dissimilar to that put up by Auburn.

As I posted earlier the P & R I think will be based on a smaller number of teams being in a B-League thus somewhere between 20 & 24 teams all up.. with my guess 14 A-League and 6 to 10 B-League sides... this plan BTW when discussed by FFA a while back included NZ and maybe 2 teams in NZ... as things are now even if NZ stay in the competition they have to be an Australian team and will struggle to get local support with only 4 locals allowed in their sides.
 

Forum Phoenix

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midfielder said:
Clarence

I think the P & R will come but not for quite a while ... at least two media deals away as the funding will not be there..

FFA plan a FA cup competition next year and not dissimilar to that put up by Auburn.

As I posted earlier the P & R I think will be based on a smaller number of teams being in a B-League thus somewhere between 20 & 24 teams all up.. with my guess 14 A-League and 6 to 10 B-League sides... this plan BTW when discussed by FFA a while back included NZ and maybe 2 teams in NZ... as things are now even if NZ stay in the competition they have to be an Australian team and will struggle to get local support with only 4 locals allowed in their sides.

Aussie FA cup, will be AWESOME IMO!!!!!
:vhappy: :vhappy: :vhappy:
 

Jesus

Jesus
marinersman said:
I invite anyone anyone who is in favour of Wellington or any NZ club to list an argument supporting what they bring to the league that an Australian club can't.

Is it their crowds? No better than any Australian club. Is it their results and success on the pitch? Mediocre at best, never made the finals. Is it NZ viewers watching it on pay TV over there? No, it's been buried just like chanel 7 did here.

So what value do they bring to our league? Sooner they are kicked out the better. Can't come quick enough.

Last i saw nix were getting better crowds this year so far than fury, GC, perth, Us, Scummers.
Just because some teams are pulling bigger crowds than them, does not mean if you put a team in bourke it will pull higher crowds.

The NZ tv is not ditching all a-league games, just non Nix games, as they dont rate.

What wellington bring is a team, with an owner not afraid to lose money, which has a solid support base, which plays reasonable football, and allows for a higher standard as they can draw players from NZ who are up to scratch and not counts as foreigners.

If canberra, and west syd, and gong, and tassie, and 12 other teams can come in a do it better, then bring them in. But last i saw we had 4 places bidding, and non up to scratch to meet the criteria wellington were assed by to come into the comp.

You have to replace with better, not just for the sake of it. Why bring in another team to be a drain on the competition, when wellington are self sufficient? Why do it when we still need 24 teams in total to have 2 divisions?


Lowy answered your question in the article that this thread is about

"They've got good management, good crowds, they get good results. It would be bad for the game overall if we didn't have a team like that."
 

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