Firms, Hooligans & Football Violence...

[OneYellowArmy]

hi to all. just to let you know i am a year 12 student doing a HSC study and my topic is Football Violence. So i have a couple of questions that need opinions and answers. the more the better. thanks.


"Do you think the Hyundai A-League will have football hooliganism and violence just like many European countries have such as; England, Scotland, Italy, Germany, Serbia, etc?"

"If so, who would be to blame?? Out of control supporters or the media for the media created rivalries??"


i would love to hear what you all have to say.
Cheers again,
Byron.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Dont know how many words you need to write, but the answer is NO.

 

[happy]

I don't know if you will have it in Australia but I think when comparing it with Europe you have to distinguish between the Southern parts of Europe like Serbia and Italy and the rest. It is because "hooliganism" and violence is much more "common" in these parts and among football supporters than in the "Northern" parts.
And you need to differ between hooliganism and violence in association with games of the national teams and the national league.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

You'll need to define exactly what you mean by 'football violence' in those areas.

We have had some problems here - but less than the other codes of football.  We have the benefit of being able to see the problems over there and taking measures to prevent it from occurring - as opposed to the areas with these problems where they've occurred over time under differing social standards, and without the benefit of analysis of other regions.

Essentially you'll want to look at the underlying cultural reasons for those hostilities, and compare/contrast those with the differences in Australia.

Worthy mention should go to those carrying on cultural rivalries over here, a la NSW state league football several years ago.  Track down the information from that, and the reports that came after it. 

I believe we won't see the same sort of violence - we don't have the same ethnic tensions over here, and we're all too likely to jump down the throats of anybody trying to start a mob mentality.  We've all seen the problems occurring overseas and we all care too much about the image of football in Australia.  There'll always be a bit of a biffo, but not nearly as much as you see in other sports. 

 

[Part_Timer]

ask the CSY they ruck all the time...

 

[loyalist]

yes
it is already happening etc.
gl

 

[adz]

1. no
2. n/a

 

[Arabmariner]

It just doesn't happen in Australia.I can take my 9 year old daughter to away games here and feel quite comfortable with our colours on and sit anywhere in the stadium within reason (obviously I wouldn't sit in the Squadron or the Cove but that is only common sense....isn't it?).
In Scotland when I lived there many away games you wouldn't wear colours at all....that would be as good as holding up a sign saying "come and kick my head in please".And in Australia I've never had to run for my life with about 50 opposition supporters chasing me with the intent to kick the living crap out of me.
Travelling home on a train after a game is safe in Australia.I have very clear memories of coming home from a game in Aberdeen in the 80's and having to break the wooden tops off the tables on the train to defend ourselves against a carriage load of Celtic supporters who got on at another stop.
When I was a kid my mum wouldn't let my dad take me to games involving certain teams because there was almost always trouble.
Going to football in Australia is nothing like anything that I've described above and anyone who thinks it is either wants their head read or is just trying to stir up trouble!

 

[skilbeck]

"come and kick my head in please"

I always knew thats what a dundee united shirt represented

 

[Arabmariner]

"come and kick my head in please"

I always knew thats what a dundee united shirt represented

So did the train full of your soap dodger mates........maybe it was some relos of yours skilbeck!  ;D

 

[skilbeck]

"come and kick my head in please"

I always knew thats what a dundee united shirt represented

So did the train full of your soap dodger mates........maybe it was some relos of yours skilbeck!  ;D

nah it doesnt mean "come kick my head in please" thats what a rangers shirt means, it means "im from slumdee feel free to make a joke at my expense, especially about our lack of silverware"

 

[serious14]

There will be the occasional spat here and there, most likely between us and Newcastle, and Sydney and Melbourne - which of course will be blown out of proportion by certain sections of the media with vested interests.

I can confidently say that there will never be violence here on the level that we see in Europe.  The divisions in Europe that cause such violence to happen go back centuries in some cases, and 99% of the time we have seen football violence in this country is because of those ethnicities being actively involved.

It's just not in the Australian culture to behave like that - what's the biggest division this country has ever had that we could possibly riot over??    Sydney fans telling Melbourne fans that the Eureka stockade was ill informed, and the Melbourne fans fighting back because that's their flag they fly with pride??  Puh-lease. 

 

[Paolo]

yes
it is already happening etc.

Central Coast Yoof! and Central Coast Stadium Elite!

 

[loyalist]

There will be the occasional spat here and there, most likely between us and Newcastle, and Sydney and Melbourne - which of course will be blown out of proportion by certain sections of the media with vested interests.

I can confidently say that there will never be violence here on the level that we see in Europe.  The divisions in Europe that cause such violence to happen go back centuries in some cases, and 99% of the time we have seen football violence in this country is because of those ethnicities being actively involved.

imho sydney = israel
  melbourne = palestine

 

[serious14]

imho sydney = israel
melbourne = palestine

I'd be more inclined to go with Sydney = Turkey, Melbourne = Greece, but whatever works. 

 

[Paolo]

imho sydney = israel
melbourne = palestine

I'd be more inclined to go with Sydney = Turkey, Melbourne = Greece, but whatever works. 

nah forza got it right seeing as it is really Sydney Hakoah

 

[serious14]

nah forza got it right seeing as it is really Sydney Hakoah

Touche - I was just referring to the cities themselves.

 

[kepo]

Answer to question 1 NO!

i would highly recommend OneYellowArmy that you watch the following to get an broad idea on football violence and general hooliganism:
1. The football Factory
2. The Real football Factories
3. The Real football Factories
4. Ross kemp on gangs - Poland

anyone else that has material post it...
its a very interesting topic that has so much information out there...
i would also recommend joining a couple of overseas forums..... to get the low down

 

[BrisRecky]

I doubt we will get anywhere near as bad as say...the dutch....mate I been to a second division game and the MVV ultra's and the Go Ahead eagles were well up for it...i seriously doubt they were even worried about the game that much...and we wont even get into AJAX v anybody...good gawd what a ruck those are...

 

[loyalist]

I like dutch hoolz
They love things that go boom