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FFAs hypocrisy on fan culture

Part_Timer

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FFAs hypocrisy on fan culture
Tuesday 20th July 2010

And so we return to club football, where down under the A-League is gearing up for season six.

New seasons mean new promotion campaigns on TV and the latest Football Federation Australia ad for Australia's domestic competition is a beauty: titled "Fan Made", you can find it on YouTube.

It features a group of black-hooded young men, all menace, all Clockwork Orange machismo, walking into a textiles shop looking like they're casing the joint or about to pull off a robbery.

Instead, they order 680 square metres of material for, bada boom, their "pullover", those enormous rolling unfurled banners we've all become accustomed to seeing at important football games, be it in Asia, Europe, South America - anywhere football is played.

It's a clever ad and a vast improvement on previous A-League campaigns that were all glitz but lacked a clearly defined message.

Fan culture is the heart and soul of football; anything that encourages people to get behind their team in an enthusiastic, positive and respectful way is worth promoting.

Pullovers are one the great spectacles of football matches but Hatamoto, the security company engaged by the FFA to attend matches, monitor crowds and make sure nothing goes awry that is going to end up on the TV news and besmirch football's image, has deemed that they will forthwith be banned for "high risk" matches, the very first being the rematch of grand finalists Sydney and Melbourne in Round 1.

What a load of heavy-handed twaddle.

A hardcore Sydney FC fan, Grant Rieper, emailed me during the week to express his understandable frustration.

"This means that the efforts that my friends and I are putting in, pulling all-nighters in a dance studio in Chippendale and weekend work in office space in Homebush, is all for nothing," he complained. "Not to mention the cost of buying so much material (which comes from our own pockets and from revenue created by our own merchandising) or the added spice it gives to these games.

"I'm pretty sure the FFA, on some basic level, understand what the efforts of organised support does for our game because it's the sole focus of their ad campaign."

You would hope so, Grant, but the problem is the FFA, for all its pretence in being a football organisation, isn't run by football people.

It's a collection of highly remunerated suits that treat football just like any other "product". And it's a product they want to sanitise and make "family friendly", especially so because there's a World Cup bid in train and the FFA doesn't want to take the risk of something violent or controversial happening at A-League games.

Which may be all well and fine, but to promote the game with pullovers on one hand and then ban them on the other is really the height of not just hypocrisy but stupidity.

Fans like Grant who devote their personal time and money into supporting football have every reason to walk away from stadium turnstiles and stay at home. The FFA doesn't deserve their custom.

Without fans, the game is nothing. Unless it overturns Hatamoto's decision, FFA will soon be selling a "product" no one wants to buy.


Let the destruction of fan culture continue.....
 

fedelta

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"fan made"
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FFC Mariner

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For those who went , the security presence was absurd.

I mean there were 2 guards on the running track to guard against pitch invasions and far more police that were needed (none).

All this for a crowd of around 1,500 (max).

I expect this season will be when grounds/security go on overkill mode and a lot less fun will be had by all
 

serious14

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Hatamoto in "we're a bunch of raging fuckheads with no clue about anything" shock.

One of these "high risk games" (Sydney/Melbourne) this season is going to churn out a 4-3 epic with the last goal 2 minutes from the end, meaning carnage and amazing scenes and desires for retribution for all concerned etc.

Hatamoto, having had no experience policing proper football crowds will mistake this exuberance for a "riot" or "uh oh, the Cove/BWB are storming the field" or some shit, and in response will go into overdrive, which will only make things worse.  Of course, the fans will be blamed.

*shakes head*  Rubbish.

P.S.  Anyone read the corporate BS on their website??  What a load of shit.
 

dibo

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not wanting to in any way support hatamoto, but people who light flares under/near pullovers are f**king morons who only hurt their fellow supporters. that's the reason behind the ban on pullovers. no flares should equal no problems. every time a flare comes out, the screws get tightened and they take a long time to be eased off.
 

bjw

bjw
dibo said:
not wanting to in any way support hatamoto, but people who light flares under/near pullovers are f**king morons who only hurt their fellow supporters. that's the reason behind the ban on pullovers. no flares should equal no problems. every time a flare comes out, the screws get tightened and they take a long time to be eased off.

tbf, many of the 'flares' ripped underneath the pullovers have been smokeys which dont produce flames.
 

FFC Mariner

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Either way, that is the one act that is obvious on tv/media etc and gets the clubs into trouble.

Whether you think its bollocks or not, we have to face reality and Comrade Dibo is correct. no pyrotechnics, no problem
 

Part_Timer

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my problem is hatamoto are the security company in charge of stopping flares and fan trouble/violence they have failed so they ban pull overs, the random flares will still be lit...
im not a fan of flares under pull overs or random ones being lit, full choreo on the other hand
 
J

jiggles

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Tis a bit fkn ridiculous. I was at the Syd v CCM game the other week...and I swear to god the number of seccies and St John volunteers outnumbered the people there to actually watch the game. Cops just strolling around. And I think the most trouble caused was a bunch of Sydney fans screaming "Arnold In"...yeah, better lock those boys up.

The idea of pullovers being banned is just ridiculous.
 

FFC Mariner

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Lyall was getting pretty cranky in the food queue ahead of me as some people were dicking about.

When he muttered "how long does this take?" I could see the massed ranks of riot police reaching for their tasers. Was a bit tense for a few minutes

Was that friendly classed as a Cat A match BTW?
 

dibo

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Pullover ban has been lifted for SFC this weekend, on condition that no flares or smokies are to be ripped anywhere near the cove.

If there's one ripped, the ban will return and that person will probably be eating meals intravenously until someone can reconstruct enough of their face to have them eating real food again. Don't know how this affects other clubs.
 

dibo

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Recky - the issue that the article you've C&Ped there refers to has been sorted, at least at the SFS.
 

midfielder

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As Dib has said the ban has been lifted and in a similar article on the Roar http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/07/23/the-a-league-doesnt-care-about-active-fans/ and answer was given by Jubal1 copied below ...

Hey Mike,

As you know Im the official/unofficial mouthpiece of The Cove and I thought it was only fair to let you know that weve had a positive outcome in negotiating with the FFA about pullovers.

Through Sydney FC management, we were able to put our case to senior FFA decision makers, who saw fit to reverse their decision to ban pullover banners. We pointed out that it made no practical difference to security, that it was the height of hypocrisy given the ads for this season and that once again arbitrary decisions were being made without consultation. For once they listened, hopefully theyll learn something from this debacle.

Weve had years to build up a positive relationship with Sydney FC, and it paid off in spades, with the club going into bat for us over this crucial issue. Sure, that relationship means some compromises in the way that we support the team, but this outcome is proof that a positive relationship at club level is invaluable in gaining and protecting our freedoms as active supporters.

It IS worth noting though that as a supporter group we received no direct communications at any point and not even a courtesy email response to the concerns we raised. The FFA has a hell of a lot to learn about engaging active fans, this turnaround wasnt a new dawn in FFA/Fan relations, but theres a hell of a way to go.

We spent over $5000 of our own money on our pullovers last year, raised through the sale of cove merchandise and other fundraising activities, to have that arbitrarily banned as if it was nothing was disgraceful, insulting behaviour, but thats what we expect from the FFA suits, they want a bland, sanitised product and they need to be reminded on a regular basis that they are merely the custodians of the game in this country, not the owners and sole arbiters.

But for your fun and enjoyment click on http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/bigshots/2009/05/a_flare_for_soccer_open_flames.html also from a poster on the same thread...
 

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