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Ben Buckley --- Are you up to it.

midfielder

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I very much doubt our A-League is in long term serious trouble, but right now we are looking pretty sick.

The Queensland clubs are looking very troublesome. All three have had problems, during Ben Buckley stewardship, two have had franchise licences issued.

I often argue that in the end of the day it is management or lack of it or poor management that will determine, a sports success or failure.

With this in mind I have had a look at Ben Buckleys record to date. My limited understanding is Ben Buckley as the CEO of FFA has a number of main issues he is in charge of, these are as I see them:

Qualify the World Cup,
Qualify for the Asian Cup,
Establish National representative & training procedures,
Expand the A-League,
Establish Australia as a major player in Asian Football,
Expand and promote football in the media,
Negotiate the next media deal,
Ensure any Crawford recommendations not delivered are set developed.
Finally have FFA seen as a professional and in control

The first three have been achieved of the others, the A-League has expanded but events of recent days need analysis.

The remaining issues are very much as they were when Ben took over. 

Moreover on his watch crowds in Hal 4 & 5 have been in decline, and here are some more recent events.

FFA exodus in the last 5 months

Dec 9 2009 : John O'Sullivan (FFA's commercial chief )

Jan 25 2010 : Bonita Mersiades (spokeswoman for the FFA on most matters but also had a senior role in the world cup bid strategy)

April 9 2010 : Archie Fraser ( FFA's Head of Operations)


The trouble with all 3 Queensland clubs.

FFA & the A-League are still not separate bodies as is the recommendation in Crawford, our media is about the same as when Ben took over from JON.

I read sometime back that Fox had offered a 5 year 60 million per year deal to replace the 17 Million per year 4 year deal ... BUT had Fox keeping football in the next round of media deals.  However the A-League is going off the boil somewhat according to the Australian.. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/twenty20-set-for-tv-protection/story-e6frg996-1225852468423 
A proposal to include one game a week of A-League soccer is losing momentum

Right now FFA are looking anything but professional.

Ben Buckley has a lot on his plate, the WC, the WC bid and a number of issues in and around the A-League. Is he up to the job, time will tell I guess, I hope he gets it right.
 

FFC Mariner

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Issues in an organisation are ALWAYS managements fault as they set policy/direction etc.

Stories of Lowy meddling were rife in his SFC days, maybe this is a bigger issue at the FFA?
 

curious

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FFC Mariner said:
Issues in an organisation are ALWAYS managements fault as they set policy/direction etc.

Stories of Lowy meddling were rife in his SFC days, maybe this is a bigger issue at the FFA?
I think it was Cockerill that commented on the recent Fury saga in saying that the over riding opinion of the FFA executive was fury should be 'allowed' to fall, as the FFA are simply running out of funds in their growing list of financial support and fury look like requiring major funding assistance for the long term. He claimed Lowey's order to usurp the decision of the others didn't go down well and also the primary reason for Fraser's resignation.  As it stands, Fury were only able to gain promises of a fraction of the finances required to continue, with the FFA coughing up the rest, so it does have some legs.

It can be very difficult to carry out your portfolio to the best of your ability if not permitted the independence to do so. In my own opinion, based on direction of executive decisions in the past, Lowey wants a legacy and he wants it fast and under his watch, come hell or high water. One has to wonder if any future decision re the GC will be one of internal politics, self indulgence or common sense.
 

FFC Mariner

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Doubtless Jaza can shed some light on Uncle Franks "interventionist" style whilst at SFC?

Having said that, how many of us work for organisations/bosses where meddling from on high makes doing the job almost impossible?

Thats where a long study of Sir Humphrey Applebys methods come in so handy - otherwise you would never get anything actually done.
 

Jesus

Jesus
If Lowy does do alot of meddling, as I would assume he does, then with him busy with the world cup bid could make it slow movement on a-league issues.

That will be over in december either way. There will still be lots of work if we get it, but i would think less rushed, or at least leave him not worrying about a-league in total
 

Jaza_SFC

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The stories of the backroom under Uncle Frank vs what they are now under Traktovenko/Ramsay and team are pretty mesemerising. Remember, he's a billionaire, not infallible. Personally I wouldn't want him anywhere near my club ever again. Nor only for the shoddy, haphazard way we were run under him, but also due to the various lies and deceit that were involved in taking us over in 2006 anyway.

Everyone is happy to stick the boot in, but what could the FFA honestly do better? The only two key things I can honestly think of are:
*Get better internal marketing boffins (marketing has been utterly dire, and it starts at the top with league-based and finals specific marketing which is run by the FFA)
*Potentially fix the revenue sharing agreement that the clubs are crying out to have reviewed (with that said, there's always two sides to each story, and there's no guarantee the clubs have it right. Of course they're going to go in and bat for themselves. Without knowing exact figures and the relative effect they have on the clubs / FFA it's hard to make a call on this)

The league's biggest issue is just income. There simply isn't enough of it - every club has made a loss every season (aside from one year of MVFC and one year of CCM I think?), and overall the financial results aren't tracking anywhere near as well as expected. SFC have just adjusted their break-even target to season 8 (originally season 5), and even then we're one of the stronger clubs with our present backing. Most clubs had a 3-6yr break even plan from memory, and none are really close.

The crowd decline argument is a tough one. For the most part I'm not concerned. Consistent growth each year for 5yrs+ just isn't possible. Take a look at graphs from leagues like the J-League, etc, and you'll see that the ~5yr dip is very very normal. Don't expect it to skyrocket back up either - time for slower, more sustainable growth from here on in.
Of course there is concern in some areas (i.e. the Roar collossally f**ked up last year in their overall treatment of fans, and in a 5yr old league one slap in the face like that is a dangerous one because they hardly have a strong base to fall back on), but the overall crowd trend being down is no real concern outside of the major anomaly. Each club faces it's different issues but outside of the Roar and GCU the crowd issue is fine.

Money is the issue, and I'm just not sure how to fix it. Gate receipts would be a big part for some clubs (like Newcastle and CCM where I think matchday costs mean ~10k crowds can break even?), but some clubs just seem to have insurmountable costs (like the Roar) which are an ongoing concern. All clubs are surviving on private funding, generally from a wealthy businessman (outside of the Fury, and the new Adelaide group consortium which is about to take over) and we've all seen what happens when private funding gets withdrawn. In many ways it's a timebomb, one day people like Con and the Greek guys who run the Roar will have to stop pouring the money in because the drain will be too big. We just need to hope they can get to break even point before that day comes.

It's why I think potential renegotiation of the TV deal is a fantastic thing. All these dolts arguing for free-to-air don't understand the financial implications. I struggle to believe that the financial benefit from FTA exposure (will it really increase exposure to the degree it will properly increase teh gate? If so, will that balance out the fact it will cheapen the TV money, let alone better the overall deal?) . The goal should be that the TV deal goes as far towards keeping the clubs afloat as possible. If renegotiation now locks it in to pay TV for another 5yrs but keeps clubs alive for those 5yrs, then it's a no brainer.
There's also the issue of finding alternate revenue streams, but I'm just not sure what they would be aside from player sales.

The question over the Fury is a big one. No surprise there was talk of letting them die (and no surprise if it's true Uncle Frank has jumped the gun to hold them in) - they were a long way off the basic funding requirement they were given to survive. It doesn't set a good scenario - it almost encourages owners to think they can fail. If Palmer really is thinking of pulling the plug (and there's no smoke without fire), surely the sight of seeing NQFC propped up by the FFA means he feels more comfortable in walking away from GCU if he so wishes?
Above all else, the one thing FFA management must be held accountable for is allowing this situation to happen in the first place. Firstly, for allowing the Fury to be such a shambles from the get go (remember Jade North marquee?), and not enforcing adequate support for such a n00b owner. As much as some will say it's interfering with club independence - the staff and business processes in place at both expansion clubs leaves a LOT to be desired. GCU failed on the business side of things (Clive Mensik comes across as your perfect businessman with no sense of sports business nous), and NQFC on the football side of things.
Based on recent events with both expansion clubs, I am sure that their due dilligence process is an absolute joke - there simply should be no way Matheson could have f**ked them like he has without potential for recourse (they should be sueing him for millions). The rush to expansion has been embarrasing - and it's set to continue with a West Sydney bid that was over $1mill short of the $5mill (?) requirement for the licence. When reality hits home that the bogan west is still as fickle as the rest of Sydney, we best pray that they've increased their backing so they have a proper cushion.

Of course, a big problem is then that the FFA have shown themselves to be quite poor at administering a club when they do take over. Adelaide was very very rough (and were lucky they have such a strong base to pull through from), and the reports from the Fury in the last week are extremely discouraging. I know they have to be financially prudent as they're skint, but it sounds like an absolute trainwreck already.
It's one thing not to have to honour contracts, and even though it's morally wrong I do understand them using the scenario to dump deadweight like Henderson and Timpano (who otherwise were stuck on the list for next year). But things like the insulting offer made to Scott Wilson (50% paycut if you believe the stories) are outright embarrasing. Likewise losing both Tadrosse (ordinary, but a LB option) and Steffanutto (above par, a local, and actually wanted to stay in Townsville) is just astounding. Most clubs are back in pre-season by next month at the latest, and the FFA are saying it's 4-6 weeks before they appoint a head coach. Why? They're up shit creek already, have a bare bones roster with f**k all quality (departing daily), and are showing no signs of stability or ability to attract players. Quite the opposite in fact.
I think there's every chance Fury are f**ked. A short window left in the off-season to turn them in to a good news story (to keep those fans coming in, and thus keep investor interest there), and at the moment I'm guessing their football side of things will potentially be even worse next year (Aus player pool now very challenging, no Fowler, etc). A rough season on the pitch / in the stands will deter investors (if anyone is dumb enough to be interested in blowing a few million on it atm), and will also make the FFA's rescue decision questionable. To save them, they had to do it properly and quickly maintain the position that they are a worthy, attractive investment opportunity. But they way they are being run now is catastrophic, which is completely unacceptable. If you're not going to do it properly, don't blow the money on trying poorly. Save them properly to build them up and get them taken over ASAP, or don't f**king bother.

I think the only other suggestions I have are:
*Stop raising the salary cap. It was meant to go up $100k per year, so by now should have gone from $1.5mill - $2.1mill or so. But a combination of lobbying from certain clubs, funny ideas (like the youth marquee, which is now an utter joke spread across 3 players), and especially the push from the PFA, means that next year it stands at $2.775mill total. That is more than enough. We are now at a level where good players in the cap can be paid $250-$300kpa, which is enough to get some very good quality in from overseas, retain local players (like Colosimo who otherwise would have gone to Asia) and take care of the players well enough that the average wage (~$90-$130kpa) keeps local players playing in comfort and not considering other professions. Leave it for a few years until stability means it can increase (and the NYL + the new generation after the lost generation has hopefully helped fuel a player quality increase of players that deserve more).

*Stop blowing money on above the line advertising. It doesn't f**king work. Well, it does, but primarily in terms of brand awareness. But the spend required to attain awareness in the Aus sports marketplace is too big, and the ROI even upon attained awareness is questionable (i.e. just because people know what the HAL is / where it's on doesn't mean they will go). Sydney FC will be an excellent guinea pig for it this year - no fake promises of increased marketing budget (to fool the buffoons that think shit like ads in newspapers work), but an outright assault on local associations for a cost-effective alternative. I'm not even convinced it will work (it's no assumption that football player = potential HAL ticket holder), but I'd rather see it given a go than see $1mill thrown away on $20k single ads in the SMH that people flick over. I'm not a marketing genius, but I know enough about marketing that for limited funds it's all about ROI and above the line doesn't come close to guaranteeing that. There are certainly better ways, and the FFA should be spearheading this by setting an example at the top. If they're going to spend money, it needs to be done smart.

Blagh, rant over. The FFA are far from perfect, but I also think they're unfairly slated at times. The outright idiocy comes from things like Con's continued failure to make NJFC a good news story, CCM's complete move backwards in terms of community engagement and the honesty that would help a lot in such a small place, and the Roar's catastrophic ticket price f**k up + terrible handling of the Farina incident in the space of a few months which now threatens to spell their end. (Incidentally - that could have been a real way for them to restore a little pride after the ticket f**k up insulted so so many people. Instead, combined with letting Ange turn every single ex-player in to a mobilised attack on the Roar (after he released them early?!?!), it's been a major f**k up.)
The FFA doesn't make those calls. They may not be good at repairing them, but they never made those initial f**k ups (rushed expansion aside). There needs to be a line between their independence and the clubs decision making, but ultimately the clubs need to be making the good calls. We really need more Tony Sereposis (sp?) types in the league.
 

midfielder

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Jaza

Top post ... many good points will comment more on the weekend a bit much to take in on a work day.
 

Jesus

Jesus
I dont think Matherson can take the blame for fury, he did have 2 partners who pulled out at the start of the season. The FFA should hit them up if anyone.

I think perhaps the clubs think that they should get the vast majority of the fox money. Though, In all honesty most of that cash was paid for the roos. The next deal should fix this though. Another decent show at the cup and the roos on their own on FTA should be looking at a similar deal to the current FOX if not larger.

If the roos and a-league are seperated i would expect the entire a-league money to go to the clubs. Though I think if the roos get a gold mine, there will probably be some of that money gifted by the FFA too.

Salary cap is growing too fast I agree. That extra $600k puts clubs that further 600k behind in their budgets if they use it all, or force them to not use it all. The FFA should really look at currently only lifting the cap by the minimum until the new TV deal is done.

Surely the FFA would have been best bet selling fowler and honouring the other players contracts. Would have made up the difference. Even though the squad did not look great, they were a sniff from the semis, a couple of changes this year, and a clean out next would have had them fine. Much better than starting from scratch
 

FFC Mariner

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Surely community ownership for a portion of all HAL clubs is something to consider.

Accountability to the people seems to work alright for many clubs around the world (Barca to name but one)
 

Jesus

Jesus
FFC Mariner said:
Surely community ownership for a portion of all HAL clubs is something to consider.

Accountability to the people seems to work alright for many clubs around the world (Barca to name but one)

Surely the FFA are starting to think of that. Get a % owned by fans, and it will grow the loyalty to the club
 

FFC Mariner

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Sadly, I dont think this would dawn on the FFA if you wrote it on a block of wood and smacked them 'round the head with it.

You make the fans own (say) 10% and the local association own the same and both have seats on the board and whilst you couldnt change much (as a minority), the transparency would be interesting
 

Jaza_SFC

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Surely not feasable? HAL club stakeholders are asked at the end of each year to throw more money in for it to continue to survive. (And I don't mean buying more of a share, I mean stumping up your share as an owner for the business to run). Not only would the money not be there (on top of season tix expenditure), but I doubt people would really get it?
 

elevated position

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Your right Jaza after the initial enthusiaism to have to dip in your pocket each year would test most peoples resolve however at CCM there is an opportunity for the club to attack members wallets and it is by getting them to invest in the COE Trust as it is a seperate entity and has the backing of bricks and motar. This investment will speed the developement along and stop funds being siphoned from CCM itself. In fact I would like to see a huge community involvement there,up to say 49%.
Maybe the Trust could apply for charity status(I wish ) and then all contributions could be tax deductible.
 

FFC Mariner

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I understand you point Jaza but look at the numbers:

10% equity requires an initial investment of (say) $400k (being 10% of $4m)

CCM have a core of around 6,000.

Therefore, you need to encourage 25% of your core support to stump up $267 initially.

That gets you in.

Annually, assume the club needs to raise another $2m to cover operating losses. That means you have to tip in another $134 a year to retain your 10% equity.

That assumes htat the club issues more shares to cover working losses as opposed to loan funds.

For SFC it may be easier as your core support is probably higher.

If I was a NQF, I would be looking at this option for sure and certain
 

starfish

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FFC Mariner said:
I understand you point Jaza but look at the numbers:

10% equity requires an initial investment of (say) $400k (being 10% of $4m)

CCM have a core of around 6,000.

Therefore, you need to encourage 25% of your core support to stump up $267 initially.

That gets you in.

Annually, assume the club needs to raise another $2m to cover operating losses. That means you have to tip in another $134 a year to retain your 10% equity.

That assumes htat the club issues more shares to cover working losses as opposed to loan funds.

For SFC it may be easier as your core support is probably higher.

If I was a NQF, I would be looking at this option for sure and certain

CCF already has 1%  - 50000 shares - which they have held since day 1. Doesnt give them anything though - no voting rights, board seat or say in any matters.

Encouraging 10% community ownership would be a great thing which could be done by way of Supporters Trust or similar that could hold the shares and the supporters buy units in the trust.

However, unless that 10% gives the shareholder something tangible, it is just another money grab and a way of raising capital without giving anyone else a say in the running of the club.

On a slightly related issue - will Belinda Neal remain on the board once her term in Canberra finishes. Would she still want to be there if she has no reason for any self - promotion and also would the club still need her once her usefulness as a sitting politician is no longer there?
 

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