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2010 Election Predictions Thread

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Anyone game to make predictions... they are at different levels of course...

Level one .. pick either Lib or Lab

Level two ... pick by how many seats..

Level three ... pick the state swings...

Level four ... pick the state by state seat changes..

Level five ... Head of Doom ... the grand Poo Bar of predictions... pick the winner ... by how many seats...by state... swing in each state... the over all Australian  percentage i.e. Lab 50.2 Lib 48.8 ... how the greens perform .. finally predict will Tony talk or not talk about how fit he is... and will Julia rabbit on about being the first woman PM...


Gotta love we live in a country where all this is possible...
 

offtheball

Well-Known Member
Level 6 Local electorates. Dobell and Robertson.  Will Belinda Neal run as an independent and split the Labor vote?
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
Made into new thread.

Level one - overall winner:

Labor, though it's squeaky bum time.


Level two - how many seats:

Based on seats notionally changing hands (redistribution of boundaries move voters between seats to better ensure even representation and sometimes seats gain more Labor or Coalition voters than their margin at the last election and therefore notionally 'change hands') the seat by seat breakdown is as follows:

Labor Party: 83 seats won in 07, 88 on new boundaries.

Gains on new boundaries: Dickson, Herbert (QLD), Gilmore, Greenway, Macarthur (NSW), Swan (WA)
Seat abolished: Lowe (NSW)

Coalition: 65 seats won in 07, 59 on new boundaries

New seat: Wright (QLD)

Lost on new boundaries: Dickson, Herbert (QLD), Gilmore, Greenway, Macarthur (NSW), Swan (WA)

Lost at by-election: Lyne (NSW)

Independent: 2 seats won in 2007, 3 after by-election win.

Gain at by-election: Lyne (NSW)

Based on notional boundaries, Labor to gain three, lose nine - net movement of six seats to the Coalition.

They'll wind up on 83 seats, Libs on 65. Funnily enough, that's where they started, but the boundary changes mean that the margin in votes will be closer.


Level three - State by State:

I'm not that interested in aggregate state by state swings. It doesn't tell you much. I don't think there will be much of a swing TBH - mentally people's votes shifted towards Labor for the last three years but they've swung back. I don't know that Tony Abbott can bring that many over. What will happen is that seats that Labor won in a hundred year flood will go back over (see the seats in regional Qld.) but mostly we'll see no net change. Abbott won't *win* enough votes over from Labor. Labor won't do that well in WA, but they don't have much to lose. They won't go super well in NSW or Qld either, but a few odd Coalition candidate choices and retiring long-term members will minimise the damage.



Level four - seat by seat:

List nicked from ABC Elections, my prediction included:



Labor key seats (either held or on notional margins):

Herbert (*) (QLD) ALP 0.03%: Labor 'hold'

Robertson (NSW) ALP 0.1%: Toss a coin.

Solomon (NT) ALP 0.2%: Labor hold

Macquarie (NSW) ALP 0.3%: Liberal gain

Swan (*) (WA) ALP 0.3%: Liberal 'gain'

Gilmore (*) (NSW) ALP 0.4%: Liberal 'gain'

Macarthur (*) (NSW) ALP 0.5%:  Labor 'hold'

Dickson (*) (QLD) ALP 0.8%:  Labor 'hold'

Corangamite (VIC) ALP 0.9%: Labor hold

Hasluck (WA) ALP 0.9%: Liberal gain

Bass (TAS) ALP 1.0%:  Toss a coin.

Bennelong (NSW) ALP 1.4%: Labor hold

Deakin (VIC) ALP 1.4%: Labor hold

Longman (QLD) ALP 1.9%: Labor hold, largely thanks to the LNP picking a 20 year old to run.

Flynn (QLD) ALP 2.2%:  Labor hold

Braddon (TAS) ALP 2.3%: Labor hold

Eden-Monaro (NSW) ALP 2.3%:  Labor hold

Page (NSW) ALP 2.4%: National gain

Dawson (QLD) ALP 2.6%: LNP gain

Forde (QLD) ALP 3.4%: LNP gain

Dobell (NSW) ALP 3.9%: Labor hold

Leichhardt (QLD) ALP 4.1%: LNP gain

Kingston (SA) ALP 4.4%: Labor hold

Bonner (QLD) ALP 4.5%: Labor hold

Brisbane (QLD) ALP 4.6%: Labor hold

Melbourne (VIC) ALP 4.7% v GRN: Labor hold in a *tight* fight

Brand (WA) ALP 6.0%: Labor hold

Lindsay (NSW) ALP 6.3%: Labor hold

Wakefield (SA) ALP 6.6%: Labor hold



Coalition key seats (either held or on notional margins):

Bowman (QLD) LIB 0.01%: Labor gain

McEwen (VIC) LIB 0.02%: Labor gain

Hughes (NSW) LIB 0.5%: Labor gain

La Trobe (VIC) LIB 0.5%: Liberal hold

Paterson (NSW) LIB 0.6%: Liberal hold

Sturt (SA) LIB 0.9%: Liberal hold

Cowper (NSW) NAT 1.2%: National hold

Ryan (QLD) LIB 1.2%: Liberal hold

Cowan (WA) LIB 1.3%: Liberal hold

Stirling (WA) LIB 1.3%: Liberal gain

Hinkler (QLD) NAT 1.5%: tight fight, but National hold

Canning (WA) LIB 4.4%: Liberal hold



Level five - Senate, Greens, trivia:

Greens will grow their vote a little and they'll do pretty well in the Senate. The next Senate will be very close - there's no great momentum for a Xenophon, a Fielding or whoever to get up - I think it's going to be Labor, Coalition and Greens. Expect to see in each state something close to 3 Coalition Senators, 3 Labor or 3 Coalition Senators, 2 Labor, 1 Green. If they win a HoR seat it will be Melbourne, though Sydney could be a bolt from the blue.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Using my trusty ABC software http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/calculator/

Level One

Libs

Level 2

Bye 3 seats

Level 3

State swings and IMO very important click on software

QLD swing to Libs 4.5 %
NSW swing to Libs 4.3%
Vic swing to Lab 1.4%
WA swing to Libs .. 1.3%

Level 4

Coalition
Seat New margin
Petrie (QLD) Gained LIB 0.3%
Dobell (NSW) Gained LIB 0.4%
Hasluck (WA) Gained LIB 0.4%
Leichhardt (QLD) Gained LIB 0.4%
Sturt (SA) LIB 0.9%
Swan (*) (WA) Gained LIB 1.0%
Forde (QLD) Gained LIB 1.1%
Dawson (QLD) Gained NAT 1.9%
Page (NSW) Gained NAT 1.9%
Eden-Monaro (NSW) Gained LIB 2.0%
Flynn (QLD) Gained NAT 2.3%
Stirling (WA) LIB 2.6%
Cowan (WA) LIB 2.6%
Longman (QLD) Gained
LIB 2.6% Dunkley (VIC) LIB 2.6%
Bennelong (NSW) Gained LIB 2.9%
Boothby (SA) LIB 2.9%
McMillan (VIC) LIB 3.4%
Aston (VIC) LIB 3.7%
Dickson (*) (QLD) Gained LIB 3.7%
Macarthur (*) (NSW) Gained
LIB 3.8% Gilmore (*) (NSW) Gained LIB 3.9%
Macquarie (NSW) Gained LIB 4.0%
Robertson (NSW) Gained LIB 4.2%
Grey (SA) LIB 4.4%
Herbert (*) (QLD) Gained LIB 4.5%
Bowman (QLD) LIB 4.5%
Gippsland (VIC) NAT 4.5%
Casey (VIC) LIB 4.5%
Menzies (VIC) LIB 4.6%
Goldstein (VIC) LIB 4.7%
Hughes (NSW) LIB 4.8%
Paterson (NSW) LIB 4.9%
Cowper (NSW) NAT 5.5%
Canning (WA) LIB 5.6%
Higgins (VIC) LIB 5.6%
Ryan (QLD) LIB 5.7%
Hinkler (QLD) NAT 6.0%
Wannon (VIC) LIB 6.1%
Forrest (WA) LIB 6.8%
Flinders (VIC) LIB 6.8%
Mayo (SA) LIB 7.1%
Fairfax (QLD) LIB 7.5%
Calare (NSW) NAT 7.8%
Indi (VIC) LIB 7.8%
Fisher (QLD) LIB 8.0%
Kooyong (VIC) LIB 8.1%
Wentworth (NSW) LIB 8.2%
Wright (QLD) LIB 8.4%
Durack (WA) LIB 8.9%
Pearce (WA) LIB 9.0%
Barker (SA) LIB 9.5%
Hume (NSW) LIB 9.6%
North Sydney (NSW) LIB 9.8%
Moore (WA) LIB 10.2%
Cook (NSW) LIB 10.6%
Tangney (WA) LIB 11.1%
Groom (QLD) LIB 12.7%
Wide Bay (QLD) NAT 12.9%
Warringah (NSW) LIB 13.1%
McPherson (QLD) LIB 13.1%
Mitchell (NSW) LIB 13.9%
O'Connor (WA) LIB 14.1%
Berowra (NSW) LIB 14.3%
Curtin (WA) LIB 14.6%
Fadden (QLD) LIB 14.9%
Farrer (NSW) LIB 15.5%
Mackellar (NSW) LIB 16.7%
Murray (VIC) LIB 16.9%
Parkes (NSW) NAT 18.0%
Bradfield (NSW) LIB 18.2%
Moncrieff (QLD) LIB 18.3%
Maranoa (QLD) NAT 18.5%
Riverina (NSW) NAT 18.9%
Mallee (VIC) NAT 19.9%

Labor
Seat New margin
Bonner (QLD) ALP 0.03%
Brisbane (QLD) ALP 0.09%
Solomon (NT) ALP 0.2%
La Trobe (VIC) Gained ALP 0.9%
Bass (TAS) ALP 1.0%
Greenway (*) (NSW) ALP 1.4%
McEwen (VIC) Gained ALP 1.4%
Moreton (QLD) ALP 1.5%
Lindsay (NSW) ALP 2.0%
Corangamite (VIC) ALP 2.3%
Braddon (TAS) ALP 2.3%
Blair (QLD) ALP 2.5%
Deakin (VIC) ALP 2.8%
Lilley (QLD) ALP 3.5%
Franklin (TAS) ALP 4.0%
Kingston (SA) ALP 4.4%
Richmond (NSW) ALP 4.6%
Brand (WA) ALP 4.7%
Hindmarsh (SA) ALP 5.1%
Parramatta (NSW) ALP 5.5%
Banks (NSW) ALP 6.1%
Reid (NSW) ALP 6.5%
Wakefield (SA) ALP 6.6%
Perth (WA) ALP 6.6%
Oxley (QLD) ALP 6.8%
Rankin (QLD) ALP 7.2%
Bendigo (VIC) ALP 7.5%
Capricornia (QLD) ALP 7.6%
Makin (SA) ALP 7.7%
Griffith (QLD) ALP 7.8%
Fremantle (WA) ALP 7.8%
Lyons (TAS) ALP 8.3%
Adelaide (SA) ALP 8.5%
Melbourne Ports (VIC) ALP 8.5%
Charlton (NSW) ALP 8.6%
Chisholm (VIC) ALP 8.8%
Kingsford Smith (NSW) ALP 9.0%
Isaacs (VIC) ALP 9.1%
McMahon (NSW) ALP 9.5%
Ballarat (VIC) ALP 9.5%
Bruce (VIC) ALP 9.7%
Corio (VIC) ALP 10.3%
Jagajaga (VIC) ALP 10.4%
Shortland (NSW) ALP 10.4%
Barton (NSW) ALP 10.6%
Werriwa (NSW) ALP 10.8%
Lingiari (NT) ALP 11.2%
Hunter (NSW) ALP 11.4%
Newcastle (NSW) ALP 11.6%
Canberra (ACT) ALP 11.8%
Blaxland (NSW) ALP 12.3%
Throsby (NSW) ALP 12.5%
Cunningham (NSW) ALP 12.6%
Holt (VIC) ALP 13.0%
Watson (NSW) ALP 13.9%
Hotham (VIC) ALP 14.4%
Sydney (NSW) ALP 15.0%
Fraser (ACT) ALP 15.1%
Denison (TAS) ALP 15.3%
Chifley (NSW) ALP 15.4%
Maribyrnong (VIC) ALP 16.7%
Lalor (VIC) ALP 16.9%
Fowler (NSW) ALP 18.3%
Port Adelaide (SA) ALP 19.8%
Grayndler (NSW) ALP 20.5%
Calwell (VIC) ALP 20.7%
Scullin (VIC) ALP 22.3%
Gorton (VIC) ALP 22.6%
Gellibrand (VIC) ALP 22.9%
Melbourne (VIC) ALP 23.7%
Wills (VIC) ALP 23.8%
Batman (VIC)


Level 5

Overall swing 2.1 % to libs TA will not talk about his fitness and JA will try to avoid the woman thing The Greens will pick up in the senate mainly from Lab .
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
I'm familiar with the calculator and agree State swings are *a* factor, but seat by seat factors are in my view more important. They'll move outcomes by more than global swings. For example, the Libs will hold La Trobe and lose McEwen I think, because McEwen's long time local member is retiring and La Trobe's is not.

While I'm there, based on recent polling (click the state by state poll numbers down the sidebar on the right - especially the Newspoll quarterly state by state) I also think you're doubling the likely swings in NSW and Qld and I think you're wrong in assuming a swing in WA.

Last election Labor got thumped in WA. They had a big recovery in polling over there and then the swing back due to the resources tax means they'll still get thumped here. Essentially there's been no change.

Long time demographic changes in Qld mean that the swings back to the Coalition will be limited. There's a long trend against the Libs in a lot of those seats, with margins getting trimmed and trimmed again.
 

serious14

Well-Known Member
You gotta move forward mate.

Move forward.

Forward is the way to move.

Five weeks of this shit??  :fireup:
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
We've had three years of great big new tax on everything, so it'll almost be a relief.
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
Moving forward is important so we can move forward.

Level One

Lab

Level 2

By 1 seat from Libs but 3 "others" elected so a hung parliament and we go again by Easter

Level 3

State swings

QLD swing to Libs 3.0 % (just about everything effect)
NSW swing to Libs 3.0% (Keneally effect)
Vic swing to Lab 0.0% (the 'ranga effect)
WA swing to Libs .. 3.0% (the SPMT effect)
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Dib

Reasons for my swing predictions..

QLD .. over 7% swing to Lab last time ... had Kev 07 (i.e. QLDEEEERRRRRR) today Kev 07 out with knife in back and Vic there ... + mining tax ... + state Lab.. so IMO 4.5 % ...

NSW .... the Penney NSW Bi Election ... swing 25% ... read a report of an analysis of the swing ... 4, 000 polled across all booths... 85% said they knew the difference between State & Fed election... 15% + another 7% of the 85% ... meaning 22% said they just hate lab ... whether or not it is the fault of the state gov they just hate labour ... assuming the swing vote is 15 % to 20% in NSW * the 22% ... so my thump nail guess is 4.3 % ..

WA going on media reports...

Vic ... the Local effect to Lab...

I am no doubt wrong ... but if I am right I will declare myself a prediction God...
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
i've known people who've worked on polls as phone monkeys (and once worked on one myself years ago) and know a few more who've worked in the analysis area.
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
Arabmariner said:
Has anyone ever actually been asked the question by one of these mobs conducting a "poll" ?

I always answer the complete opposite to how I feel in order to try to skew the results. In our no conviction, poll driven system, its the only fun you can have.

Oh for a conviction politician, Julia is proving to be as mindless as the rest
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
Sadly, the only people running the country are the respondants to opinion polls. Nothing else seems to matter.

While the Hawke mini movie was a self serving pile of shit, at least he did actually want to change things and was prepared to make tough calls. An object lesson for todays pollies.

If Dobell falls, a car spot gets freed up at Westfield Tuggerah - the only win for his electorate since 2007. Why is Dobell cursed to have members who achieve precisely nothing for their electorate? The previous Lib member did nothing either (not sure if he even spoke in Parliament during his term?)
 

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